Controversial opinions on metal

[Krow]

Eh its cool, Justin eh? sick last name, brah

that dude who won that auction bid on a whole bunch of shit and never said/paid for anything. And now I got this Puerto Rican who bought like ~20cds and won't respond more than once a week. Such a pain in my ass

This is pretty much why I refuse to sell on eBay.

 

[Metal_Cultist]

I don't consider Venom's "Black Metal" to be black metal. Under any definition of black metal.

Kreator and Dark Angel are by far the two best thrash bands (honorable mention to Sodom). Slayer is highly overrated, and even Metallica's best albums aren't THAT great. Frankly, thrash metal is kind of a weak sub-genre, despite it's historical context and peoples nostalgia.

Opeth's early work at times is really brilliant, but mostly just boring.

I find Symphony X's music to be superior to Dream Theater.

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Ok, hate on haters.

 

[CiG]

Under any definition of black metal.

Any definition? Seems like a foolish position, considering there is at least one definition it obviously falls under, the definition that existed immediately after that album came out. Then there's the 'first wave black metal' definition...

I think what you meant to say is, that album isn't black metal, based on what black metal became afterwards.

Slayer is highly overrated

I agree and disagree. If you cut them off at Reign In Blood, I think they're accurately rated as one of the greatest metal bands of the 1980's, however if you go by their entire output and how much people obsess over their quite obviously crummy post-Reign In Blood material, sure they're overrated.

even Metallica's best albums aren't THAT great.

Define "Metallica's best" otherwise this can just mean all things to all people, ie nothing.

Ride The Lightning is one of the metal GOATs in my opinion, the rest I could take or leave if I'm brutally honest.

Frankly, thrash metal is kind of a weak sub-genre, despite it's historical context and peoples nostalgia.

I think you're exactly wrong on this one, it's the opposite. Thrash metal is one of the strongest, most consistent and most broadly palatable of all the metal subgenres, and that opinion has nothing to do with nostalgia as I'm only 28 and not old enough to be nostalgic about thrash metal.

Also, Dark Angel and Kreator are pretty great, but I wouldn't say I agree with them being the best the genre has to offer.

More accurately I would say they produced a few works each that are the genre's best. But went to utter crap rather fast.

 

[Metal_Cultist]

Any definition? Seems like a foolish position, considering there is at least one definition it obviously falls under, the definition that existed immediately after that album came out. Then there's the 'first wave black metal' definition...

I think what you meant to say is, that album isn't black metal, based on what black metal became afterwards.

A fair point - I should have said, under any 'reasonable' definition. The rest are just disagreements. Opinions are like assholes, they say...

(but I do agree Ride the Lightning is probably their best album - one of metals best? LOLZ)

 

[crimsonfloyd]

It fits under no contemporary definition of black metal. It's thrash/speed metal. Let's not pretend like it's something else because they talk about the devil.

 

[CiG]

It fits under no contemporary definition of black metal. It's thrash/speed metal. Let's not pretend like it's something else because they talk about the devil.

Contemporary being the keyword here that the OP didn't use.

Black metal pre-Under The Sign Of The Black Mark was obviously just defined by certain energies, atmosphere and attitudes. It was much more of a subjective, romanticised thing.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It fits under no contemporary definition of black metal. It's thrash/speed metal. Let's not pretend like it's something else because they talk about the devil.

Same applies to the first two Bathory albums.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

I would argue that just about every black metal scene was different in both the first and second waves -- particularly when it comes to the style of riffs. It sounds cheesy but they all just feel like black metal.

Obviously the first wave was just extreme metal's lines blurred between thrash, black, and death metal, but then you have the Hellenic scene in the second wave that doesn't sound like anything else, including any of their contemporaries in other countries. That pretty much rings true for every scene in the second wave -- but maybe some to more varying degrees.

I don't think the standard for black metal songwriting stuck to the Norwegian stereotype of icy cold tremolo picking as much as some people might have you believe. That's what I'm basically getting at here.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

A lot of Hellenic black metal is basically trad/power metal (sometimes trad doom) though. The "feel" may still be there, but the riffs are not unique to black metal. Many of those bands could cover certain Manowar songs verbatim, and they would be indistinguishable from their originals.

 

[CiG]

I don't think the standard for black metal songwriting stuck to the Norwegian stereotype of icy cold tremolo picking as much as some people might have you believe. That's what I'm basically getting at here.

Very much this. I think people fundamentally misunderstand black metal in this way. It's quite obviously a product of people that got into post-80's black metal first.

If you got into metal before the 90's I expect this way of thinking would be less common.

 

[The Ozzman]

Same applies to the first two Bathory albums.

Yeah, those are barely black metal

 

[Slayed Necros]

The Return is clearly black metal, despite what you turds think.

 

[CiG]

The Return is clearly black metal, despite what you turds think.

This.

You idiots don't know what you're talking about.

 

[EspaDa]

Hey, what happened to @Internally Deformed? That guy used to be annoying as fuck but also contributed well to the forum.

 

[CiG]

He did say he was going on holiday or something and he's been gone for about two weeks so far.

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

Hey, what happened to @Internally Deformed? That guy used to be annoying as fuck but also contributed well to the forum.

Maybe he succumbed to his internal deformities - he was pretty lucky to live even as long as he did.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I think that most of those were in his brain.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

I think that most of those were in his brain.

Shitposts fired.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The Return is clearly black metal, despite what you turds think.

The funny thing is that it's only considered black metal because of how unclear the production is.

 

[EchoForever]

The funny thing is that it's only considered black metal because of how unclear the production is.

what would you consider its genre to be then