Controversial opinions on metal

[Savern]

Yeah muse influence is very obvious on Octavarium and Systematic Chaos, its a bit annoying at times, But I'm a big Muse fan so its all good.

 

[TheInsane]

Did anyone else ever notice that a lot of newer Dream Theater songs blatantly rip off Muse? It's especially funny because the time period where they started doing it coincides with the interviews they did where they talked about how cool Muse was.

Yeah that was one thing that put me off Octavarium, the blatant rip-offs. One track was a U2 rip-off as well as the Muse track already mentioned.

I realize this might be truly controversial but I regard TRain of Thought as one of their best, if not tthe best, moment. The rivaling albums to the throne are Images and Words as well as Awake (probably in that order).

I didnt "get" Scenes From a Memory for years but suddenly it clicked and its behind these three albums. Octavarium on the other hand is a hard one for me. I absolutely LOVE the title track. Probably one of my favorite songs ever. The rest of the album is bland and boring and filled with rip-offs. But since Octavarium (the track) is about 30 minutes long its worth getting the cd for.

That leaves Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (I havent hear anything else by Dream Theater enough to judge it). Actually I cant really judge this one either. Seperately the track from disc 1 are mostly good but there is something boring about listening to all of it. I used to love cd 2 but it was a long time since I heard it now and I cant judge it that well. It reminds me of Symphony X's "The Odyssey". While I prefer DT overall that SX song is one of the best I have ever heard. Yes, Im a sucker for long songs

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

Six Degrees Of Inner Toolisms

 

[Vegard Pompey]

I think it's a good thing when established bands like Dream Theater draw influence from bands to come after them. I see too many legendary bands stick to the same style they got popular with, sometimes ripping off a popular recent band in a hopeless attempt to modernize their music.

And Muse is damn good too.

 

[Omni]

I'm pretty sure every band you listen to rips off other bands. Nothing new here.

That was a lame fanboy comeback if I've ever seen one.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

DT also tends to be one of those few 'clean vocal' bands ONLY EXTREME METL!!111 people listen to along with DragonForce and Evanescence, and they aren't aware it's all shitty because they're already totally adverse to anything good in the genres.

 

[S<issors]

^What a bizarre and inaccurate comment

You people suck I swear. This is the obvious and correct order of their discography:

1. Images And Words
2. Scenes From A Memory
3. Awake
4. Systematic Chaos
5. Six Degress Of Inner Turbulence
6. Octavarium
7. Train Of Thought
8. When Dream And Day Unite
9. Falling Into Infinity

LDO

edit: Systematic Chaos could easily be tied @ #3 for me as well. That album is so underrated.

ToT > Six Degrees and Octavarium by a good deal, Scenes is their best, and Awake > Images. Personally speaking. I agree with the general shape of your list, though.

Yeah that was one thing that put me off Octavarium, the blatant rip-offs. One track was a U2 rip-off as well as the Muse track already mentioned.

I realize this might be truly controversial but I regard TRain of Thought as one of their best

They wore their influences too openly on Octavarium, for sure. Root of All Evil was good, though, as was the title track

ToT was much better than people give it credit for, In The Name of God is one of their best songs, and This Dying Soul is great too

 

[King Richard]

That was a lame fanboy comeback if I've ever seen one.

Actually my "comeback" had nothing to do with me being a fan of DT or any band for that matter.

 

[The Ozzman]

FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND
I EXTEND MY HAND
TO THE DOUBTFUL I DEMAND
TAKE ME AS I AM

 

[S<issors]

he raps on Honor Thy Father

I winced

 

[Omni]

Actually my "comeback" had nothing to do with me being a fan of DT or any band for that matter.

Well, would you care to tell me what bands my favorite artists are ripping off? I can't seem to figure it out.

 

[whiskey funeral]

WTH is up with all the recent Dream Theater fellatio on here?

 

[The Ozzman]

WTH is up with all the recent Dream Theater fellatio on here?

Dream Theater is awesome LDO

 

[King Richard]

Well, would you care to tell me what bands my favorite artists are ripping off? I can't seem to figure it out.

Figure it out for yourself. Playing the ignorance card isn't helping your case fyi.

 

[Omni]

Oh, that's right. You can't actually tell me because it isn't true.

 

[AwesomeGuy]

I don't think a band is automatically bad if they rip off another band a bit, I don't think all nu-metal is bad and I think every album from metallica is good. with that, I actually like metallica through reload the most.

 

[Omni]

I don't even remember saying that Dream Theater was bad for copying Muse a bit on some recent songs, he just took it as an automatic negative and made a claim about my favorite bands that he can't back up.

 

[Dak]

I regard Train of Thought as one of their best, if not the best

agreed

 

[Mort Divine]

Considering that you like Trivium and Sevendust that really isn't surprising.

 

[King Richard]

Oh, that's right. You can't actually tell me because it isn't true.

I can't tell you because I don't give a shit. I'm not wasting my time trying to make you look stupid.

I don't even remember saying that Dream Theater was bad for copying Muse a bit on some recent songs, he just took it as an automatic negative and made a claim about my favorite bands that he can't back up.

You didn't say it was bad that DT did that, nor did I claim you said that. I just thought your statement was pretty stupid is all, I didn't take any thing any way. Stop assuming stuff that isn't true.