Controversial opinions on metal

[Alter]

If you think ABITNS is Frost mimicry, wait till you hear Panzerfaust.

...Which is a fucking great record.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

The hell is so great about Panzerfaust? It doesn't even seem in the same league as their previous stuff.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

A lot is great about it.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Well from my recollection it's slow, meanders directionlessly between styles, has virtually no outstanding riffs, and the vocals are pretty irritating. So I'm not sure where all the "great" is.

 

[TheInsane]

I think its Panzerfaust I really like with the riffs but it the record with the vocals way up in the mix isnt it? I dont like that aspect of it. At times I can look past it, at times I cant so its a hit or miss for me depnding on the day. Its been a while since I listened to it though.

I do remember liking the first track alot. Great atmosphere.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

Bah, here it is: I've never ever been able to get into Amorphis. I don't think they're bad or anything.... I just can't ever remember a single song, just nothing. I've only owned 'Elegy' but I was under the impression that was one of their best. What am I doing wrong?

 

[Dak]

I like Amorphis but I don't think they have any outstanding work.

 

[The Ozzman]

You need to get Eclipse. That's where you went wrong

 

[zabu of nΩd]

I think its Panzerfaust I really like with the riffs but it the record with the vocals way up in the mix isnt it? I dont like that aspect of it. At times I can look past it, at times I cant so its a hit or miss for me depnding on the day. Its been a while since I listened to it though.

I do remember liking the first track alot. Great atmosphere.

Isn't the first one like the only black metal song on the album?

As far as how the vocals are mixed, I don't mind that so much - obviously it had different production goals than their earlier albums. I just think the vocals sound really half-assed.

I think there was potential in some of the sounds they tried - stuff like "The Hordes of Nebulah" sounds really evil and badass - but in general I find the riffs pretty boring and over-repeated.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

I was over exaggerating my opinion of death metal as a whole tbfh.
:Smug: Honestly, I don't enjoy death metal nearly as much as I used to but I still think there is some good to be found in the genre.

same here then.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

I like Amorphis but I don't think they have any outstanding work.

That's sort of how I feel. It just doesn't go THERE in the songwriting....but there's so many elements about the band that appeal to me, I want to find some stuff that I really really get into.

 

[Ben_t]

That's sort of how I feel. It just doesn't go THERE in the songwriting....but there's so many elements about the band that appeal to me, I want to find some stuff that I really really get into.

I only like The Karelian Isthmus and Privilege of Evil so maybe give those a try. I don't like anything else they've done.

 

[Slayed Necros]

Isn't the first one like the only black metal song on the album?

I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of Black Metal.

As for Amorphis, if you like good Death Metal at all, heed the advice of Ben_t and check out The Karelian Isthmus and Privilege of Evil.

 

[MasterOLightning]

Well from my recollection it has a variety of tempos, successfully explores different styles, has virtually all outstanding riffs, and the vocals are some of the best ever recorded. So I'm not sure where all the "bad" is.

FYP

 

[Tennyson]

I know people tend to praise the old Amorphis a lot (especially Elegy), but give "Eclipse" a shot OCI. Can't beat songs like "Two Moons" and "Perkele(The God of Fire)" imo.

 

[Einherjar86]

Orion, if you don't like Elegy then you probably wouldn't like Tales From the Thousand Lakes or The Karelian Isthmus. Their two most recent albums (Eclipse and Silent Waters) have a very different sound, but they are fucking incredible. I'm not sure what you'd think about them though. They almost tend towards a mainstream kind of sound sometimes. They're still great though.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

Oh, I really liked the elements and the overall sound and vibe........... there just wasn't one single song that stuck.. like at all. I'll go find some 'Eclipse' stuff to listen to..

 

[zabu of nΩd]

I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of Black Metal.

Excuse the fuck out of me if my memory of the album isn't perfect. I've only heard it twice. As I recall, though, black metal is a small portion of a handful of styles on it - death and doom being two prominent ones. Unless you interpret the experimental stuff to be black metal as well.

FYP

To each his own I guess, but quite honestly I have a hard time understanding how one could listen to an album like ABITNS and then call Panzerfaust great in the same context - especially as far as the riffs go.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

If you can't hear black metal in the entirety of Panzerfaust then you clearly don't know shit about black metal and its origins. End of story.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

If this is about whether Celtic Frost is a black metal band, and whether their influence on this material of Darkthrone's makes said material black metal by definition, then I can understand why it would be considered black metal. You don't have to play the elitist know-it-all asshole to get this point across, though maybe that's as far as your ability to have a discussion on the subject goes.

At any rate, I'm not all that interested in pinning down what genre(s) the album belongs to. It's obviously more stylistically experimental/diverse than their previous albums, though.