Core?

Thought I may as well chime in.

I have been around the forum for many years and have learned a lot from it. I enjoy all sorts of music so I'm not really biased to this in anyway except djent doesn't tickle my fancy at all its just as stale as the core bands who as you said play breakdowns as the opening riff with halftime drumming *BORED!* seriously don't enjoy either of those.

Quick background on me and why you may have not heard of me or seen me much but surely I have some decent credit.

Ive only just started to post more work as im recording clients/bands now and I've recorded anything from Alt/Indie rock, 90's Death Metal, Melodeath and Metalcore(im not using the labelling of topic names to grab someones attention just giving you an idea of what you're going to hear).During this I've worked with Brian hood (for the 2nd time reamping now), used to chat quite a bit with him when he first started and he taught me alot. Worked with user:Lolzgreg on some plain and simple 90's Death Metal and worked with Ryan Harvey on some straight breakdown shit. I speak to jefftd a bit and have talked with a few others from the forum as well. I guess what I'm saying is I may not be a big name who posts stuff all the time with great mixes,and I wish to get to know ALOT of the guys more,but if you're not going to open a thread because my name isn't that familiar with you, it doesn't give me a lot of chance to get to know you/vice versa./allow my name to become familiar with you.

This isn't a bash and I take none of what you said to heart. I'm sure my statements above probably apply to other guys on the forum as well and they may feel the same.


Core is definitely an over used/abused term which is now thrown on to anything that includes a breakdown. but I'm fine with that, at least I know those bands are going to have a breakdown or chug section somewhere in the song.I like to think my band "Through Plagues" escapes the "core" labelling simply because we have NO breakdowns but we still get labelled "Deathcore" and other ridiculous genre's but whatevs. I think some genre labels have credability though and to be honest your band has to be definable under one of them. when you cd gets put in the record store you want to know exactly what section/header it's going to be placed under when you,your friends,your fans go to pick on up from the local store. so the genre names have their worth, but some are just bullshit coughcrabcorecough. It essentially was a genre created by this very forum to pay out the stupid band that is attack attack and yet somehow they flipped it and now proudly label themselves this way WTF!

anyway. I'd love to post more "metal" but truth is not every band I record is playing straight forward "metal" so I label the title with the closest genre name I can give. what else should I name it to get people to look in but have an understanding of what they are going to hear. will it please more people if I just call it "5150,Mesa,superior,slate,natural cymbals,Harsh and Clean Vocals"?

now you know exactly what your going to hear mix wise?

anyway as stated I'm an extremely neutral guy and despite the way the interwebs will convey my discussion remember to read all of this in a positive or just blank way. I'm not negative about whats been said and nor do I have major disagreement with you. You have raised a valid point about the forum and I just though I'd give the other side of the story.

P.s I've enjoyed a lot of the work I've heard from you Jaymz and hope to hear more Black Stymphalian soon.Truth be told if it wasn't for your cd I wouldn't have found mikey who I got to design and build my website.

just my few cents/dollars
 
Hey Joel, Just to make it clear I never said I wouldn't open a thread because your names isn't quite familiar...I think that was somebody else. However I will admit the "core" in titles of threads do make me think twice, I find it hard to critique a mix and offer up advice if its of that genre, ive just heard it to death.

This is the first time ive voiced my opinion on this matter in the time ive been here....its so easy to get into a forum war, however I think most of the people on here are mature enough to talk about matters rather than end up in a flame war. After I saw about 7 titles as in the OP, I just couldn't resist any longer.

Glad you like the Stymphalian stuff! More to come, writing an album as we speak :)

Allan, punk created thrash, if you insist on calling it "hardcore" punk then I guess i'll have to accept your voicing however the hardcore you hear today isn't even in the same book as thrash.
 
I like to think my band "Through Plagues" escapes the "core" labelling simply because we have NO breakdowns but we still get labelled "Deathcore" and other ridiculous genre's but whatevs.

Sorry for Ot, but you being labled deathcore may be because;

- You band name has the word "plague" in it
- Your myspace design looks like a typical deathcore band's
- Your vocalist has plugs and a neck tattoo
 
Allan, punk created thrash, if you insist on calling it "hardcore" punk then I guess i'll have to accept your voicing however the hardcore you hear today isn't even in the same book as thrash.

The word hardcore has come to mean something else entirely.
To be perfectly honest thrash has just as much, if not more hardcore than it does NWOBHM.
 
The word hardcore has come to mean something else entirely.
To be perfectly honest thrash has just as much, if not more hardcore than it does NWOBHM.

I only see "thrash" as the actual old school thrash, like Overkill, Testament, Exodus....the guys who have been around.

Lamb of God isn't thrash in my eyes...although I still dig their tunes.
 
I only see "thrash" as the actual old school thrash, like Overkill, Testament, Exodus....the guys who have been around.

Lamb of God isn't thrash in my eyes...although I still dig their tunes.

Bro, I'm not talking about lamb of god, I'm talking about thrash! :lol:

 
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Sorry for Ot, but you being labled deathcore may be because;

- You band name has the word "plague" in it
- Your myspace design looks like a typical deathcore band's
- Your vocalist has plugs and a neck tattoo

so imagery relies on genre labelling as well not just music. although I thought everyone tried to stray away from that.

Although I kind of have to disagree with your points. the word plague shouldn't have anything to do with our genre or jayms band would be labelled emo because it has the word "Black" in the title?

I think our artwork/cd cover is a bit more metal as well. most "deathcore" stuff is either an over exaggerated,terrible rip of of old death metal bands gore covers drawn by some terrible kid. or its hand draw with a zillion colours often too bright to see whats going on.

and okay, yeah our vocalist does look that way. he tries not to dress too "core" when we play for that reason but we don't really care at all.so i do agree with you on the way he looks.

I'd rather the music speak for itself, so we just try do that. I know imagery plays a huge part but as long as we look proffesional and our imagery comes off that way I'm happy. we have been thrown on bills/shows that were supposed to be big "deathcore" nights and we seemed to be the only band who didn't play slowed down grind riff chuggs with 1/4 drumming and run on the spot the whole night. so its not to say I'm not aware or haven't seen these bands.
 
at Joel:

I'm just saying that those things are deathcore stereotypes, you said that you sometimes get labelled that way, even though you (obviously) don't make deathcore.
Not saying it's right.
 
at Joel:

I'm just saying that those things are deathcore stereotypes, you said that you sometimes get labelled that way, even though you (obviously) don't make deathcore.
Not saying it's right.

Yeah fair enough dude. I guess just personally I dont see them as "deathcore" stereotypes besides The vocalist one. but as stated fair enough and Opinions-to each their own.
 
And here is why I persevere in poting my shitty drone nonsense, just to piss the core kids off if they ever click onto one of my topics and hear some music that actually does something to them.
THE OUTRAGE.
 
I like "Core" when it is good. Breakdowns are cool if they are written in a good way, and if the band is great musicians :)

So that'll be a prescription of Cryptopsy, Suffocation, Disgorge and Defeated Sanity.
TAKE TWO, THREE TIMES A DAY AFTER MEALS!
Doctor's orders :flame:
 
Fuck yeah OVERKILL :rock:

KsE started the corish stuff, but they sound a lot different (better) then the wave of generic metalcorebands they spawned.
Still KsE > any djenty stuff I've heared (including meshugga), and there's also a lot of that going on.

Hardcore comes from Punk, as does thrash imo, as it's got the same attitude to it...still they dont sound much alike nowaday imo

anyway, about the labeling stuff: I also dont get it, but if they want to invent a million genres and drawers who the fuck cares? also if someone thinks it helps the threadtitle in putting something corish there why not.
I can see what you problem is james though, as I see it the same: there isn't much non-corish or djentish stuff going on in the RMM, so once you post something different it disapears quite fast.
But I guess you gotta live with it, as the modern metal things seems to be that right now. or the majority of ppl deal with that kind of bands over here, OR most bands of that genre go the DIY route and post around here.
Ignore it and bump your awesomess thrash stuff up so I don't miss it :lol: :rock:
 
I agree with the most of you guys. Although I like djenty riffs and core stuff at MINIMUM dose, but it's getting old and boring now. I blame low tunings tbh. :yuk:

For all you core guys:




:rock: :rock: :rock:
 
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I see your Bewitched and raise you "At The Gallows End"! I like to think he's crushing some crab-core fuckers when he's "doom moshing" around 1:48
 
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