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Just so you know, one of the thing Canada has been good at with its military in recent conflicts and humanitary efforts is setting up water purifying plants (we have two of those that are deployable within 24 hours) and military hospital. We are good at that, probably the only thing our military is worth something, we offered it and still no response. This is a fucking shame I am telling you.
lizard
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Josh Seipp
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Depot Explodes Over Lawless New Orleans
By ALLEN G. BREED, Associated Press Writer 2 minutes ago
NEW ORLEANS - An explosion at a chemical depot jolted residents awake early Friday, illuminating the pre-dawn sky with red and orange flames over a city awash in corpses and under siege from looters. There were no immediate reports of injuries.
Vibrations from the blast along the Mississippi River and a few miles east of the French Quarter were felt all the way downtown. A series of smaller blasts followed and then a pillar of acrid, black smoke.
To jittery residents of flood-devastated New Orleans, it was yet another fearful sign of collapse in a city that has been plunged into lawlessness and despair since Hurricane Katrina slammed ashore Monday morning.
Congress was rushing through a $10.5 billion aid package, the
Pentagon promised to send in 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting and
President Bush planned to visit the region Friday. But city officials were seething with anger over what they called a slow federal response to a disaster that may have killed thousands.
"They don't have a clue what's going on down there," Mayor Ray Nagin told WWL-AM Thursday night. "They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed."
In Washington, President Bush answered the criticism of the government response to the disaster by saying "the results are not acceptable" and pledged to bolster relief efforts with a personal trip to the Gulf Coast.
"We'll get on top of this situation," he said, "and we're going to help the people that need help."
Thursday saw thousands being evacuated by bus to Houston from the hot and stinking Superdome. Fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses. The looting continued.
Gov. Kathleen Blanco called the looters "hoodlums" and issued a warning to lawbreakers: Hundreds of National Guardsmen hardened on the battlefield in
Iraq have landed in New Orleans.
"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."
At the Superdome, group of refugees broke through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen in a scramble to get on to the buses.
Nearby, about 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans Convention Center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead.
Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.
"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. Evacuees from across the city swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town.
Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle. The man was arrested.
By late Thursday, the flow of refugees to the Houston Astrodome was temporarily halted after about 11,000 people had arrived less than half the estimated 23,000 people expected.
"We've actually reached capacity for the safety and comfort of the people inside there,"
American Red Cross spokeswoman Dana Allen said. She said people were "packed pretty tight" on the floor.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry announced that Dallas would host 25,000 more refugees at Reunion Arena and 25,000 others would relocate to a San Antonio warehouse at KellyUSA, a city-owned complex that once was home to an Air Force base. Houston estimated as many as 55,000 people who fled the hurricane were staying in area hotels.
The blasts early Friday rocked a chemical storage facility along the river, said Lt. Michael Francis of the Harbor Police. At least two police boats could be seen at the scene and a hazardous material team was on route. Francis did not have any other information.
While floodwaters in New Orleans appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches in the levees that protect this bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, which is wedged between Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.
Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to the lake.
At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.
"There's a lot of very sick people elderly ones, infirm ones who can't stand this heat, and there's a lot of children who don't have water and basic necessities to survive on," said Daniel Edwards, 47, outside the center. "We need to eat, or drink water at the very least."
An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.
"I don't treat my dog like that," Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people."
Michael Brown, director of the
Federal Emergency Management Agency, said FEMA just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.
The mayor lashed out at the government, saying: "I have no idea what they're doing, but I will tell you this: God is looking down on all this and if they're not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds."
Across the city, law and order broke down, and the rescuers themselves were being shot at.
Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell it's every man for himself.'"
FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire had broken out.
Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence.
"I'm a Christian," he said. "I feel bad going in there."
Hospitals struggled to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying for lack of oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids. But when some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'"
To make matters worse, the chief of the Louisiana State Police said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers many of whom from flooded areas turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Col. Henry Whitehorn said.
By ALLEN G. BREED, Associated Press Writer 2 minutes ago
NEW ORLEANS - An explosion at a chemical depot jolted residents awake early Friday, illuminating the pre-dawn sky with red and orange flames over a city awash in corpses and under siege from looters. There were no immediate reports of injuries.
Vibrations from the blast along the Mississippi River and a few miles east of the French Quarter were felt all the way downtown. A series of smaller blasts followed and then a pillar of acrid, black smoke.
To jittery residents of flood-devastated New Orleans, it was yet another fearful sign of collapse in a city that has been plunged into lawlessness and despair since Hurricane Katrina slammed ashore Monday morning.
Congress was rushing through a $10.5 billion aid package, the
Pentagon promised to send in 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting and
President Bush planned to visit the region Friday. But city officials were seething with anger over what they called a slow federal response to a disaster that may have killed thousands.
"They don't have a clue what's going on down there," Mayor Ray Nagin told WWL-AM Thursday night. "They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed."
In Washington, President Bush answered the criticism of the government response to the disaster by saying "the results are not acceptable" and pledged to bolster relief efforts with a personal trip to the Gulf Coast.
"We'll get on top of this situation," he said, "and we're going to help the people that need help."
Thursday saw thousands being evacuated by bus to Houston from the hot and stinking Superdome. Fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses. The looting continued.
Gov. Kathleen Blanco called the looters "hoodlums" and issued a warning to lawbreakers: Hundreds of National Guardsmen hardened on the battlefield in
Iraq have landed in New Orleans.
"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."
At the Superdome, group of refugees broke through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen in a scramble to get on to the buses.
Nearby, about 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans Convention Center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead.
Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.
"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. Evacuees from across the city swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town.
Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle. The man was arrested.
By late Thursday, the flow of refugees to the Houston Astrodome was temporarily halted after about 11,000 people had arrived less than half the estimated 23,000 people expected.
"We've actually reached capacity for the safety and comfort of the people inside there,"
American Red Cross spokeswoman Dana Allen said. She said people were "packed pretty tight" on the floor.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry announced that Dallas would host 25,000 more refugees at Reunion Arena and 25,000 others would relocate to a San Antonio warehouse at KellyUSA, a city-owned complex that once was home to an Air Force base. Houston estimated as many as 55,000 people who fled the hurricane were staying in area hotels.
The blasts early Friday rocked a chemical storage facility along the river, said Lt. Michael Francis of the Harbor Police. At least two police boats could be seen at the scene and a hazardous material team was on route. Francis did not have any other information.
While floodwaters in New Orleans appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches in the levees that protect this bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, which is wedged between Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.
Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to the lake.
At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.
"There's a lot of very sick people elderly ones, infirm ones who can't stand this heat, and there's a lot of children who don't have water and basic necessities to survive on," said Daniel Edwards, 47, outside the center. "We need to eat, or drink water at the very least."
An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.
"I don't treat my dog like that," Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people."
Michael Brown, director of the
Federal Emergency Management Agency, said FEMA just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.
The mayor lashed out at the government, saying: "I have no idea what they're doing, but I will tell you this: God is looking down on all this and if they're not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds."
Across the city, law and order broke down, and the rescuers themselves were being shot at.
Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell it's every man for himself.'"
FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire had broken out.
Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence.
"I'm a Christian," he said. "I feel bad going in there."
Hospitals struggled to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying for lack of oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids. But when some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'"
To make matters worse, the chief of the Louisiana State Police said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers many of whom from flooded areas turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Col. Henry Whitehorn said.
goatschool
Member
as of yesterday, 16 countries had offered to help us, including the UK, germany, FRANCE, venezuela (as avi said), and ONTARIO (but not the rest of canada?!?!) - i don't know the rest of the countries because i can't find a list.
official statements are something like "we'll accept aid from other countries, but we aren't outright ASKING for it" ?!?!?
official statements are something like "we'll accept aid from other countries, but we aren't outright ASKING for it" ?!?!?
goatschool
Member
sorry for some reason i thought this thread was only one page and didn't read the other replies.
i guess this is obvious. i think everyone here knows enough about the internet to know that the diehard right wing/bloodthirsty contingent is out there and have seen glimpses of their opinions or whatever appear on forums and stuff.
so let me restate the obvious: i've been following the opinion of a bunch of people on another, unnamed messageboard that i would say is full of "norms", not outright right wingers but totally average folk - but there is ONE noted rush limbaugh-esque poster. and here's how the cycle goes - i've seen this again and again:
right winger calls for blood
otherwise average people start buying it
and this is happening now. it seems like the going seed of violence is planted and everyone is all for sending blackhawks down there to shoot to kill. either that, or to abandon everyone to die because it ain't worth it.
i feel like a teenager typing all that out, because i should expect it by now. i also feel like a total shut in, because i'm talking about the internet on the internet.
i guess this is obvious. i think everyone here knows enough about the internet to know that the diehard right wing/bloodthirsty contingent is out there and have seen glimpses of their opinions or whatever appear on forums and stuff.
so let me restate the obvious: i've been following the opinion of a bunch of people on another, unnamed messageboard that i would say is full of "norms", not outright right wingers but totally average folk - but there is ONE noted rush limbaugh-esque poster. and here's how the cycle goes - i've seen this again and again:
right winger calls for blood
otherwise average people start buying it
and this is happening now. it seems like the going seed of violence is planted and everyone is all for sending blackhawks down there to shoot to kill. either that, or to abandon everyone to die because it ain't worth it.
i feel like a teenager typing all that out, because i should expect it by now. i also feel like a total shut in, because i'm talking about the internet on the internet.
lizard
Member
I got called an asshole yesterday by a right winger on my university board...now, I may very well be one, but at the time, all I was doing was bemoaning the tragedy, and he was like, "those welfare brood-mares didn't have the god-damned sense to leave the city."
minxnim
meow
goatschool
Member
CNN headline:
Bush: Results not acceptable
Bush: "We'll get on top of this situation"
Mayor blasts feds: "'Get off your asses"
Large explosion reported in city's railroad district
Houston's Astrodome full, turns away refugees
Bush: Results not acceptable
Bush: "We'll get on top of this situation"
Mayor blasts feds: "'Get off your asses"
Large explosion reported in city's railroad district
Houston's Astrodome full, turns away refugees
minxnim
meow
lizard i think people try to use hindsight to say everyone in N.O. or something was DUMB or deserved it MOSTLY because they want to make, in their own minds, some sort of a divide between themselves and the victims. that way they don't have to fathom that they'd be 'dumb' enough to let it happen to them. it's sort of the same with rape victims, where you try to blame the girl for dressing like a whore and for that reason she deserved it, but some NORMAL person wouldnt dress like a whore etc etc etc, you know?
it's like some defense for people to try to prove to themselves that they'd NEVER be dumb enough to live in new orleans or something because it was so *obvious* that it was going to flood. or that there aren't other places that are set up just as disastrously. it's also a good way to blame them for being poor and dumb and shitty welfare queens so you can think 'i don't know anyone like that, so it's not REALLY that bad.. it's just *them*...'
so i guess that's why that loser called you an asshole. because he's probably terrified of being in a situation like that himself and just wants to separate himself from it.
not that he's not a total fucking idiot, but that's probably WHY he's such a total fucking idiot.
it's like some defense for people to try to prove to themselves that they'd NEVER be dumb enough to live in new orleans or something because it was so *obvious* that it was going to flood. or that there aren't other places that are set up just as disastrously. it's also a good way to blame them for being poor and dumb and shitty welfare queens so you can think 'i don't know anyone like that, so it's not REALLY that bad.. it's just *them*...'
so i guess that's why that loser called you an asshole. because he's probably terrified of being in a situation like that himself and just wants to separate himself from it.
not that he's not a total fucking idiot, but that's probably WHY he's such a total fucking idiot.
mindspell
vvv Jake's ass vvv
OTTAWA (CP) - Canada will send the United States any help needed in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, Prime Minister Paul Martin told President George W. Bush on Thursday.
"If you need help, just ask and we'll be there," he told Bush in a 15-minute phone call that was to have been a sharp discussion of the softwood lumber dispute but instead became a call of sympathy and condolence. Martin said Bush didn't ask for help, but predicted he will.
"They're in the process of trying to put all the co-ordination together and they're going to take us up on it," the prime minister said in Edmonton.
"They're trying to determine their needs right now."
White House spokesman Scott McLellan said a number of countries have offered aid.
"We are open to all offers of assistance from other nations, and I would expect that we would take people up on offers of assistance when it's necessary."
The Canadian military put troops on standby and prepared to load a ship with gear and equipment that could be useful in the aftermath of the great storm that wrecked much of the American Gulf Coast and devastated New Orleans.
The Canadian Red Cross was sending a team of 100 to 200 experienced disaster workers to bolster the American Red Cross staff in the region.
Martin, attending provincial centennial celebrations in Edmonton, told a sympathetic crowd of his talk with Bush.
"I expressed our condolences and our sympathies and I confirmed Canada stands with those who have suffered so much in Katrina's wake.
"I said on your behalf that, if you need help, just ask and we'll be there, now and in the weeks and months ahead. That we will do whatever we can for as long as it takes to help our neighbour and our friend deal with this terrible, terrible tragedy."
Gen. Rick Hillier, chief of the Canadian defence staff, said he spoke with his American counterpart, Gen. Dick Myers, to offer assistance.
He said Myers thanked him, but said the Pentagon is still analyzing what is needed.
Hillier said the military's Disaster Assistance Response Team or DART, which can provide medical care, power and clean water, could head south on 48 hours notice.
He said Canada could provide transport planes or helicopters, electrical generators, water purification systems, small boats for navigating the waterways of the region and engineering equipment and expertise.
He said his staff are planning to load a selection of such gear about a warship to be ready in the event Washington asks for help.
It's best to be prepared, he said.
"We want to help. We believe that's what being friends and allies is all about."
In September 1992, after hurricane Andrew struck Florida, a Canadian naval supply ship was sent in with more than 250 people who helped in rebuilding.
Suzanne Charest of the Canadian Red Cross said a team of 100 - perhaps as many as 200 - volunteers is being assembled for relief work.
"We're recruiting only from our existing pool of experienced people," she said.
The workers will help with the logistics of moving and supporting relief workers. They will assist with family services among the homeless and displaced and in feeding people in some of the 270 shelters being run by the American Red Cross.
"They are providing 500,000 hot meals a day in conjunction with the Southern Baptists," Charest said.
The Red Cross is also collecting cash donations for the relief work.
She said the American Red Cross estimated its operations will cost more than $130 million.
"That's without having done a full assessment."
Foreign Affairs says people who wish to send help should contribute to a reputable aid agency, such as the Red Cross.
Canada has also offered to open up its national emergency stockpiles if needed. They contain portable hospital units, complete with beds, blankets and pharmaceuticals.
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has spoken to David Wilkins, the American ambassador, to offer help.
The province's health ministry has offered an emergency medical team and various hydro operations have offered teams skilled in restoring power. Hundreds of thousands are without electricity in the region.
"If you need help, just ask and we'll be there," he told Bush in a 15-minute phone call that was to have been a sharp discussion of the softwood lumber dispute but instead became a call of sympathy and condolence. Martin said Bush didn't ask for help, but predicted he will.
"They're in the process of trying to put all the co-ordination together and they're going to take us up on it," the prime minister said in Edmonton.
"They're trying to determine their needs right now."
White House spokesman Scott McLellan said a number of countries have offered aid.
"We are open to all offers of assistance from other nations, and I would expect that we would take people up on offers of assistance when it's necessary."
The Canadian military put troops on standby and prepared to load a ship with gear and equipment that could be useful in the aftermath of the great storm that wrecked much of the American Gulf Coast and devastated New Orleans.
The Canadian Red Cross was sending a team of 100 to 200 experienced disaster workers to bolster the American Red Cross staff in the region.
Martin, attending provincial centennial celebrations in Edmonton, told a sympathetic crowd of his talk with Bush.
"I expressed our condolences and our sympathies and I confirmed Canada stands with those who have suffered so much in Katrina's wake.
"I said on your behalf that, if you need help, just ask and we'll be there, now and in the weeks and months ahead. That we will do whatever we can for as long as it takes to help our neighbour and our friend deal with this terrible, terrible tragedy."
Gen. Rick Hillier, chief of the Canadian defence staff, said he spoke with his American counterpart, Gen. Dick Myers, to offer assistance.
He said Myers thanked him, but said the Pentagon is still analyzing what is needed.
Hillier said the military's Disaster Assistance Response Team or DART, which can provide medical care, power and clean water, could head south on 48 hours notice.
He said Canada could provide transport planes or helicopters, electrical generators, water purification systems, small boats for navigating the waterways of the region and engineering equipment and expertise.
He said his staff are planning to load a selection of such gear about a warship to be ready in the event Washington asks for help.
It's best to be prepared, he said.
"We want to help. We believe that's what being friends and allies is all about."
In September 1992, after hurricane Andrew struck Florida, a Canadian naval supply ship was sent in with more than 250 people who helped in rebuilding.
Suzanne Charest of the Canadian Red Cross said a team of 100 - perhaps as many as 200 - volunteers is being assembled for relief work.
"We're recruiting only from our existing pool of experienced people," she said.
The workers will help with the logistics of moving and supporting relief workers. They will assist with family services among the homeless and displaced and in feeding people in some of the 270 shelters being run by the American Red Cross.
"They are providing 500,000 hot meals a day in conjunction with the Southern Baptists," Charest said.
The Red Cross is also collecting cash donations for the relief work.
She said the American Red Cross estimated its operations will cost more than $130 million.
"That's without having done a full assessment."
Foreign Affairs says people who wish to send help should contribute to a reputable aid agency, such as the Red Cross.
Canada has also offered to open up its national emergency stockpiles if needed. They contain portable hospital units, complete with beds, blankets and pharmaceuticals.
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has spoken to David Wilkins, the American ambassador, to offer help.
The province's health ministry has offered an emergency medical team and various hydro operations have offered teams skilled in restoring power. Hundreds of thousands are without electricity in the region.
lizard
Member
hmmmm...yes - - I've had words with that guy before. Admittedly I'm thisclose to being a socialist, and I confess sometimes I've made posts to bait him...
I feel so bad for the kids...before they get on the buses they have to leave their pets behind...
I feel so bad for the kids...before they get on the buses they have to leave their pets behind...
goatschool
Member
minxnim
meow
i think they're actually willing to transport the pets now, the LU vet medicine place etc is collecting $$ to do it.
nix: i'm not so sure. there's some weird way in which this admin seems to be able to turn unmovable things around in their favor. black magic maybe???
nix: i'm not so sure. there's some weird way in which this admin seems to be able to turn unmovable things around in their favor. black magic maybe???
lizard
Member
jeepers...first the ultra conservative Manchester Union Leader blasted Bush in an editorial yesterday...and today, the Moonie controlled right wing Washington Times!! It's a shame this has to descend right at the moment to political infighting, but the President's people have to be alarmed. this is a huge public relations nightmare for the White House.
minxnim
meow
i mean, seriously dudes my dad crashed his TRUCK two years ago and i came home early from vacation. i can't believe bush was like 'no biggie i'll get around to dealing with this LATER'.
mindspell
vvv Jake's ass vvv
OTTAWA (CP) - Canada will send the United States any help needed in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, Prime Minister Paul Martin told President George W. Bush on Thursday.
"If you need help, just ask and we'll be there," he told Bush in a 15-minute phone call that was to have been a sharp discussion of the softwood lumber dispute but instead became a call of sympathy and condolence. Martin said Bush didn't ask for help, but predicted he will.
"They're in the process of trying to put all the co-ordination together and they're going to take us up on it," the prime minister said in Edmonton.
"They're trying to determine their needs right now."
White House spokesman Scott McLellan said a number of countries have offered aid.
"We are open to all offers of assistance from other nations, and I would expect that we would take people up on offers of assistance when it's necessary."
The Canadian military put troops on standby and prepared to load a ship with gear and equipment that could be useful in the aftermath of the great storm that wrecked much of the American Gulf Coast and devastated New Orleans.
The Canadian Red Cross was sending a team of 100 to 200 experienced disaster workers to bolster the American Red Cross staff in the region.
Martin, attending provincial centennial celebrations in Edmonton, told a sympathetic crowd of his talk with Bush.
"I expressed our condolences and our sympathies and I confirmed Canada stands with those who have suffered so much in Katrina's wake.
"I said on your behalf that, if you need help, just ask and we'll be there, now and in the weeks and months ahead. That we will do whatever we can for as long as it takes to help our neighbour and our friend deal with this terrible, terrible tragedy."
Gen. Rick Hillier, chief of the Canadian defence staff, said he spoke with his American counterpart, Gen. Dick Myers, to offer assistance.
He said Myers thanked him, but said the Pentagon is still analyzing what is needed.
Hillier said the military's Disaster Assistance Response Team or DART, which can provide medical care, power and clean water, could head south on 48 hours notice.
He said Canada could provide transport planes or helicopters, electrical generators, water purification systems, small boats for navigating the waterways of the region and engineering equipment and expertise.
He said his staff are planning to load a selection of such gear about a warship to be ready in the event Washington asks for help.
It's best to be prepared, he said.
"We want to help. We believe that's what being friends and allies is all about."
In September 1992, after hurricane Andrew struck Florida, a Canadian naval supply ship was sent in with more than 250 people who helped in rebuilding.
Suzanne Charest of the Canadian Red Cross said a team of 100 - perhaps as many as 200 - volunteers is being assembled for relief work.
"We're recruiting only from our existing pool of experienced people," she said.
The workers will help with the logistics of moving and supporting relief workers. They will assist with family services among the homeless and displaced and in feeding people in some of the 270 shelters being run by the American Red Cross.
"They are providing 500,000 hot meals a day in conjunction with the Southern Baptists," Charest said.
The Red Cross is also collecting cash donations for the relief work.
She said the American Red Cross estimated its operations will cost more than $130 million.
"That's without having done a full assessment."
Foreign Affairs says people who wish to send help should contribute to a reputable aid agency, such as the Red Cross.
Canada has also offered to open up its national emergency stockpiles if needed. They contain portable hospital units, complete with beds, blankets and pharmaceuticals.
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has spoken to David Wilkins, the American ambassador, to offer help.
The province's health ministry has offered an emergency medical team and various hydro operations have offered teams skilled in restoring power. Hundreds of thousands are without electricity in the region.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/09/01/1197922-cp.html
"If you need help, just ask and we'll be there," he told Bush in a 15-minute phone call that was to have been a sharp discussion of the softwood lumber dispute but instead became a call of sympathy and condolence. Martin said Bush didn't ask for help, but predicted he will.
"They're in the process of trying to put all the co-ordination together and they're going to take us up on it," the prime minister said in Edmonton.
"They're trying to determine their needs right now."
White House spokesman Scott McLellan said a number of countries have offered aid.
"We are open to all offers of assistance from other nations, and I would expect that we would take people up on offers of assistance when it's necessary."
The Canadian military put troops on standby and prepared to load a ship with gear and equipment that could be useful in the aftermath of the great storm that wrecked much of the American Gulf Coast and devastated New Orleans.
The Canadian Red Cross was sending a team of 100 to 200 experienced disaster workers to bolster the American Red Cross staff in the region.
Martin, attending provincial centennial celebrations in Edmonton, told a sympathetic crowd of his talk with Bush.
"I expressed our condolences and our sympathies and I confirmed Canada stands with those who have suffered so much in Katrina's wake.
"I said on your behalf that, if you need help, just ask and we'll be there, now and in the weeks and months ahead. That we will do whatever we can for as long as it takes to help our neighbour and our friend deal with this terrible, terrible tragedy."
Gen. Rick Hillier, chief of the Canadian defence staff, said he spoke with his American counterpart, Gen. Dick Myers, to offer assistance.
He said Myers thanked him, but said the Pentagon is still analyzing what is needed.
Hillier said the military's Disaster Assistance Response Team or DART, which can provide medical care, power and clean water, could head south on 48 hours notice.
He said Canada could provide transport planes or helicopters, electrical generators, water purification systems, small boats for navigating the waterways of the region and engineering equipment and expertise.
He said his staff are planning to load a selection of such gear about a warship to be ready in the event Washington asks for help.
It's best to be prepared, he said.
"We want to help. We believe that's what being friends and allies is all about."
In September 1992, after hurricane Andrew struck Florida, a Canadian naval supply ship was sent in with more than 250 people who helped in rebuilding.
Suzanne Charest of the Canadian Red Cross said a team of 100 - perhaps as many as 200 - volunteers is being assembled for relief work.
"We're recruiting only from our existing pool of experienced people," she said.
The workers will help with the logistics of moving and supporting relief workers. They will assist with family services among the homeless and displaced and in feeding people in some of the 270 shelters being run by the American Red Cross.
"They are providing 500,000 hot meals a day in conjunction with the Southern Baptists," Charest said.
The Red Cross is also collecting cash donations for the relief work.
She said the American Red Cross estimated its operations will cost more than $130 million.
"That's without having done a full assessment."
Foreign Affairs says people who wish to send help should contribute to a reputable aid agency, such as the Red Cross.
Canada has also offered to open up its national emergency stockpiles if needed. They contain portable hospital units, complete with beds, blankets and pharmaceuticals.
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has spoken to David Wilkins, the American ambassador, to offer help.
The province's health ministry has offered an emergency medical team and various hydro operations have offered teams skilled in restoring power. Hundreds of thousands are without electricity in the region.
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lizard
Member
when you think about it, it's not surprising. remember how after the 2nd airplane hit the WTC, he sat there for what, five minutes reading My Pet Goat? Can't ruin those photo ops...
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.mov
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.mov
Josh Seipp
Member
no kidding....Cheney - also on vacation. Rice - buying shoes in NY. what the FUCK is wrong with this administration. I mean, this goes way WAY WAYYYYY beyond partisan politicking.
can someone do me a favor and find a transcript of Ted Koppel's interview with the head of FEMA*? I hear it's amazing.
* Michael Brown of FEMA, rather.
can someone do me a favor and find a transcript of Ted Koppel's interview with the head of FEMA*? I hear it's amazing.
* Michael Brown of FEMA, rather.
minxnim
meow
yea i really want to hear ted k's interview also. BUYING SHOES? Is she still in NYC? i will punch a bitch in the face, sayin.
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