haha thanks bro you seem like a cool guy; ill definetely try the pedal but i have an m-audio card will it work with that?. i have a song i made a couple of weeks ago and its on my page..im still new but let me know what you think. www.myspace.com/endanera12 (GRINDCORE/metal fans only :]] )
DEATH GROWLING?
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Death metal vocals come easy for me. I have a problem with black metal type vocals though. The thing that sucks is that I have a pile of songs waiting for vocals and I just can't get any black metal type vocals down that I am happy with.
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chocolategorecake said:
I'm not sure if the m-audio card will help you accomplish what you're looking for. the problem is that cards like the M-Audio 24/96 or Delta 1010 have something known as Fidelity. Fidelity ruins music. Especially your music.
Speaking of your music, I just listened to your myspace track. You successfully managed to mock quite a few genres. black metal, death metal, industrial, power electronics, grind (which is arguably a self-mockery in the first place, so perhaps this one doesn't count), even emo! I'm impressed. keep up the ironic work!
haha wow i didn't even do that intentionally....well thanks man!
well i just got the m-audio cuz that card works well with the software im using...aw well ill manage.
well i just got the m-audio cuz that card works well with the software im using...aw well ill manage.
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chocolategorecake said:
yeah you'll be fine. I was just making a joke...and if you don't like the rat on vocals I'm sure you'll find another use for it.
in the event that you're not trolling here I'll let you in on something. the other guys here have been serious and knowledgeable in what they've shared about death metal vocals. there is no magic bullet other than just knowing how to do it. the RAT pedal is just a fun way to get some grit and life into your sound.
P.S. don't ever take me too seriously.
haha ooo i see, your a jester =]....well were you joking about this? "Speaking of your music, I just listened to your myspace track. You successfully managed to mock quite a few genres. black metal, death metal, industrial, power electronics, grind (which is arguably a self-mockery in the first place, so perhaps this one doesn't count), even emo! I'm impressed. keep up the ironic work! " because i put it in my profile 
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heheh, that's perfectly acceptable.chocolategorecake said:haha ooo i see, your a jester =]....well were you joking about this? "Speaking of your music, I just listened to your myspace track. You successfully managed to mock quite a few genres. black metal, death metal, industrial, power electronics, grind (which is arguably a self-mockery in the first place, so perhaps this one doesn't count), even emo! I'm impressed. keep up the ironic work! " because i put it in my profile
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Goddamn Guitar said:
That's like saying 'Drive into that concrete barrier at 120mph! But don't fuck up my bumper!'. Growl from below your lungs, if you try screaming the way you've described you'll be lucky to get away with polyps and nothing else.
First, breathe in with the gut - not the shoulders up and down, the stomach and ribcage coming out. Second, you need to find the 'depth' that your voice works with best. First, speak normally. Then try to shape a prolonged cough into a word - it'll feel 'lower down'. Then try barking like a dog or roaring like a bear, a bit lower and lower as you get used to 'pushing' your voice lower and lower past what you'd normally consider your throat. Eventually you'll feel like your voice has 'turned over' and while it'll sound like the philly cheesesteak you had for lunch is doing an impression of a dying moose - read: shit - you'll get used to it and be able to 'shape' it into what you want. Note that you're not going to sound like whoever inspired you to growl, as the tone and depth will vary with everything from size to speech type to experience, and more other things than one could care to count. I want to growl like Mikael from Opeth, but my depth and tone are more like Haven-era Dark Tranquillity. I'd love to sound as demonic and twisted as Devin Townsend on the 'duel' in Soilwork's 'Black Star Deceiver' but I can't sustain anything that high up. All anyone can do is find where their voice is in its 'natural' place and work up and down from there.
On a side note, on the Live Apocalypse DVD does it almost sound like Angela is using a harmonizer to anyone else, too? Not talking about the parts where Mike is doubling the lines, just some parts sound like they have added depth that's just... unnatural. Maybe she's just really that scary, I don't know. Now that I think about it I'll try growling some stuff and seeing how a harmonizer sounds on it, just to fuck around - hope growls work well through SM57s.
Jeff
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chocolategorecake said:
I'd go over that DVD again, it's the single best thing next to actual vocal coaching.
I haven't gotten as much out of that DVD as I was told I would - I don't want to sound like Blythe or any of the other guys in there, that seems more scream-oriented than growl-in-the-vein-of-Carcass/Morbid Angel/et cetera-oriented. Would love to see some tips from Mikael Akerfeldt, Bjorn Strid, David Vincent...
Jeff
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JBroll said:
Damn, that's some good advice. Whenever I try to do death metal style stuff I end up laughing at myself. I bet the other guys in their cars are wondering what the hell I'm doing, since that's where I "practice."
Even my girlfriend who has had formal voice coaching has tried helping me a bit...no help.
Something that is odd, my speaking voice is quite low but my "attempts" at growling are actually higher pitched than my voice. I guess I just don't have it.
I hope it helps - that's just what I've gathered from keeping the eight-year-old in line and growling along to Morbid Angel in the car.
To get used to the abdominal sound making process, you might want to try just talking in a really low voice normally - like, cheap motel porn teaser clip kind of low voice - starting by finding a pitch within your range and going down by scales until you can move something to your gut. That'll be bloody hilarious too, but it might help.
EDIT: Forgot about this...
Chuck from Death didn't have a very low voice, but it wasn't high either - and his screams/shrieks were pretty high. Happens.
Jeff
To get used to the abdominal sound making process, you might want to try just talking in a really low voice normally - like, cheap motel porn teaser clip kind of low voice - starting by finding a pitch within your range and going down by scales until you can move something to your gut. That'll be bloody hilarious too, but it might help.
EDIT: Forgot about this...
stringy_ said:
Chuck from Death didn't have a very low voice, but it wasn't high either - and his screams/shrieks were pretty high. Happens.
Jeff
The Melissa Cross DVD? I didn't really learn from that, just saw it because a friend let me borrow it after I mentioned just having problems with keeping my breath that long, he couldn't make anything out of it himself. You might, however, find something useful in the YouTube clips of her demonstrating the false/true vocal fold appearances.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5agSrNMLg1s
Probably can find the whole ZoS DVD on there somewhere, may be in parts.
Oh, just found an Angela Gossow clip with her from Metal Injection, maybe check this out as well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5agSrNMLg1s
Jeff
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5agSrNMLg1s
Probably can find the whole ZoS DVD on there somewhere, may be in parts.
Oh, just found an Angela Gossow clip with her from Metal Injection, maybe check this out as well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5agSrNMLg1s
Jeff
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if you want to learn to breath properly then yes the video will help. thats about all it will do though, dont expect any miracles. i can scream for much longer after working on the stuff from the video and not get hurt really... until i start drinking then i just throw that shit out the window.
All you can be told about the breathing is that you need to breathe with the diaphragm - the one in your gut, not the one that goes in the twat, I know plenty of people who get confused by that - so that you're sucking air in with the gut and your stomach and ribcage expand instead of your shoulders going up or back. That's as best as I've heard it explained, so try that if you're not quite getting it. It may also help to go to a library or music store and check out a book on playing a large woodwind - bass clarinet or tenor/baritone saxophone - to see how they explain passive breathing with the abdomen.
Jeff
Jeff
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If you're planning on making shitty Job For A Cowboy ripoff "death metal" that's popular with the scene kids today, stop now. Please.
