death magnetic

I downloaded it today from Itunes. When I put it on my IPOD it the stupid click wheel stopped working, how fucking metal is that?
So I put it on my wife's IPOD and headed out for a 10 mile run. Not bad, a couple of stand out songs but not as good as Megadeth's or Slipknot's latest.

Maybe it'll grow on me.
 
The album is better than anything they have done in 20 years. But that really isn't saying much. Everything they have done int he past 20 years is utter garbage. This album is good.... until you pop in Justice or MOP then you realize it is not even close as good as those albums but is still light years ahead of the material they have done this past 2 decades.
 
I tried to listen to this... in one occassion, I fell asleep to it, no kidding any of you. If anything, it helped me appreciate true Thrash metal better. So, it's "Thrash Magnetic" to me (as in it's so slow and bland that I want to quickly go listen to any good Thrash band ASAP.)

Metallica is a pop band, and as such, they have to appeal to the masses. It's the price they chose to pay, and well, they are living comfortably. That's their choice, it's actually OK. Couldn't care less. But I don't care either for their music anymore, including DM. One of the posters above mentioned many good Thrash bands still Thrashing around, and to them I add the more recent ones, like in the last ten years of so. After listening to those bands, why would I feel compelled to give Metallica my money? I feel no urge to do so; I saw a couple of Kill em all 45 rpms that I would have bought at a lower price, and it was thirty something bucks! I said to myself, *uck this, they don't deserve it!!! I would rather spend that same money on good bands. I have to work hard for my own money, and Metallica doesn't. They could give away their product at this point. Yet this thing is selling a lot, mostly (IMHO) because people are usually easy to fall for marketing ploys.

Having said this, music is a personal taste, and I didn't mean to imply that any of you are wrong for liking DM. It's only my opinion. I just feel it's insulting to the great bands that lesser bands earn lots of money with lazy, non-inspiring efforts (in my view). It's a crime, in a way. I feel like supporting Metallica is like giving free money to Bill Gates or something, and receiving nothing in return. Whereas some other REALLY great bands (greatness is very often NOT the same as popular) often struggle just to tour around and self-produce an album. Yes, it's life, but it doesn't mean I have to agree, and I will do my part by not supporting Metallica and the money machine. Of course, it's your money, and spend it on something you will enjoy! If it's DM, so be it.

I just really cannot do the same, and support these guys. On purely selfish grounds, there is just much better things to spend your money on. I am not an elitist Thrasher or anything, I listen to Classical a lot, and respect each people's opinions. I won't kill Emo kids; they have the right to listen and play their... I know, it's bad, but they are entitled to hear and play whatever, for better or worse. Live and let live; listen, and let listen. I have chosen Thrash, though, and don't care about what you think of me because of it.

On a side-note, Anthrax used to be great, and were an original Thrash band with Joey (hey, I hate all the JoeyvsBushvsDan topics, so don't think I am starting one now), but somehow felt Joey no longer suited their style... they wanted to be less original! (As Joey provided an unique element to their sound, and was really different to most other Thrash band singers.) I was listening to their most hated Joey era recording, SoE, and it was really good, despite the really poor mastering. I like more Anthrax than Metallica, but like with Metallica, I am not expecting much from their next recording, not because of Dan, but just seeing the direction they have right now with their music. Heh, even if it was a reunion lineup recording, I doubt it would have been the same as before. They like Thrash, but I question whether they can produce real new Thrash at this point (or whether they have the inclination to do so, for many reasons.) It's a pity, Anthrax was so unique a Thrash band back then! Sometimes progression is regression in disguise, as I have posted before.

Go listen to new bands! There are many young and less young bands there that as of now, are surpassing our old musical heroes (I used to love Metallica when I was young, cannot love them anymore.) Their CD's are usually cheaper, but their music is often not any worse than the best of what was done back in the eighties (generally speaking.) Support your underground Thrash!!! :headbang:

(Underground doesn't equate quality. But it's harder to find quality on pop-bands, let's not delude ourselves- again, it's my opinion, but I strongly believe this.)

Peace to all; for those who like DM, enjoy! For those who don't, I know where you are coming from. Faster is Gooder!!!
 
I tried to listen to this... in one occassion, I fell asleep to it, no kidding any of you. If anything, it helped me appreciate true Thrash metal better. So, it's "Thrash Magnetic" to me (as in it's so slow and bland that I want to quickly go listen to any good Thrash band ASAP.)

Metallica is a pop band, and as such, they have to appeal to the masses. It's the price they chose to pay, and well, they are living comfortably. That's their choice, it's actually OK. Couldn't care less. But I don't care either for their music anymore, including DM. One of the posters above mentioned many good Thrash bands still Thrashing around, and to them I add the more recent ones, like in the last ten years of so. After listening to those bands, why would I feel compelled to give Metallica my money? I feel no urge to do so; I saw a couple of Kill em all 45 rpms that I would have bought at a lower price, and it was thirty something bucks! I said to myself, *uck this, they don't deserve it!!! I would rather spend that same money on good bands. I have to work hard for my own money, and Metallica doesn't. They could give away their product at this point. Yet this thing is selling a lot, mostly (IMHO) because people are usually easy to fall for marketing ploys.

Having said this, music is a personal taste, and I didn't mean to imply that any of you are wrong for liking DM. It's only my opinion. I just feel it's insulting to the great bands that lesser bands earn lots of money with lazy, non-inspiring efforts (in my view). It's a crime, in a way. I feel like supporting Metallica is like giving free money to Bill Gates or something, and receiving nothing in return. Whereas some other REALLY great bands (greatness is very often NOT the same as popular) often struggle just to tour around and self-produce an album. Yes, it's life, but it doesn't mean I have to agree, and I will do my part by not supporting Metallica and the money machine. Of course, it's your money, and spend it on something you will enjoy! If it's DM, so be it.

I just really cannot do the same, and support these guys. On purely selfish grounds, there is just much better things to spend your money on. I am not an elitist Thrasher or anything, I listen to Classical a lot, and respect each people's opinions. I won't kill Emo kids; they have the right to listen and play their... I know, it's bad, but they are entitled to hear and play whatever, for better or worse. Live and let live; listen, and let listen. I have chosen Thrash, though, and don't care about what you think of me because of it.

On a side-note, Anthrax used to be great, and were an original Thrash band with Joey (hey, I hate all the JoeyvsBushvsDan topics, so don't think I am starting one now), but somehow felt Joey no longer suited their style... they wanted to be less original! (As Joey provided an unique element to their sound, and was really different to most other Thrash band singers.) I was listening to their most hated Joey era recording, SoE, and it was really good, despite the really poor mastering. I like more Anthrax than Metallica, but like with Metallica, I am not expecting much from their next recording, not because of Dan, but just seeing the direction they have right now with their music. Heh, even if it was a reunion lineup recording, I doubt it would have been the same as before. They like Thrash, but I question whether they can produce real new Thrash at this point (or whether they have the inclination to do so, for many reasons.) It's a pity, Anthrax was so unique a Thrash band back then! Sometimes progression is regression in disguise, as I have posted before.

Go listen to new bands! There are many young and less young bands there that as of now, are surpassing our old musical heroes (I used to love Metallica when I was young, cannot love them anymore.) Their CD's are usually cheaper, but their music is often not any worse than the best of what was done back in the eighties (generally speaking.) Support your underground Thrash!!! :headbang:

(Underground doesn't equate quality. But it's harder to find quality on pop-bands, let's not delude ourselves- again, it's my opinion, but I strongly believe this.)

Peace to all; for those who like DM, enjoy! For those who don't, I know where you are coming from. Faster is Gooder!!!


I absolutely agree with you 100%, Although I can't see why anybody could enjoy and actually jam to this album. It's as sour and lifeless as St. Anus to me. I took the CD my cousin gave me to the local Hastings and they gave me $2 for it. LOL. - Sad. Seems that there are alot of used copies of the CD at our hastings because people are returning it, and to think it just came out. I wonder why anybody would return it?? :zombie:
No on the not you were saying there are alot of underground thrash bands out there, that's a fact, I don't see metallica producing a real thrash album ever again.. It just isn't going to happen. and if it ever does which I can guarantee they won't, I'm sure it would sound horrific. I thought SoE was amazing, and the american version of it sounds bad, if you have ever heard the original 1st pressing of trhe Japanese state of euphoria, it is absolutely amazing, I have 4 different copies of the CD itself, the american version, the german "Island Masters" version, the original 1st japanese press version and the (I think) 3rd or 2nd pressing of the japanese version, and for some reason the 1st Japan pressing sounds the best. I'm not even sure why but to me the 1st japanese pressings sound better than most re-mastered CD's even. I noticed that with all the Testament cd's, Anthrax, Slayer, OVerkill, Venom, I have all the japan 1st pressings of those bands.


But bands like Laaz Rockit, Death Angel, Annihilator, Testament, Overkill, Powermad, Sacred Reich are still out there and their still kicking ass and actually not following a lame trend like metallica seems to be on the path of. It's all about cash to them, I absolutely refuse to buy anything else metallica puts out as well, I already have all the gold CD's and 1st japanese pressings of their stuff from Kill to Black Album and that's all I need. It seems they've just lost all their musical talent to me. Somebody posted on youtube "It's funny that people try to tell metallica how to play their instruments and make their music",
Well honestly, don't you think after St. Anus somebody needs to?
I'll do whatever I possibly can to support real metal that is good, but metallica is just a logo now, I think if any other band had produced this album, nobody would be listening to it or few atleast. It's just the logo, the name and old memories of the good stuff and as soon as you put in the old stuff you can see how they've lost their talent somehow. The low production of the CD says it all to me. But everyone has their own opinion as you've said. I completely agree with you. and I'll take me $2 and invest it in a band that sounds good. lol.
:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:
 
Metallica album latest victim in 'loudness war'?T

The Death Magnetic CD is compressed so it sounds louder and more forceful - at the expense of sound quality. But don't worry, it'll sound better if you buy Guitar Hero...
Sean Michaels guardian.co.uk, Wednesday September 17 2008 09:34 BST

Audiophile fans of Metallica shouldn't bother buying copies of their new album, Death Magnetic. According to one analyst, the record sounds better in the Guitar Hero video game.

"On purchasing our CD ... we gave the disc a spin and couldn't help wondering if our office headphones were faulty as the kick and snare drum seemed to be audibly clipping, along with some of the palm-muted guitar parts," wrote Chris Vinnecombe, guitar editor of music-making website MusicRadar.

The sound issues are a result of the "loudness war" - an ongoing industry effort to make recordings as loud as possible, so that on cursory listens tracks leap forcefully from the speakers. While any album can just have its volume turned up on your stereo, records like Death Magnetic have their audio compressed, making them inherently louder at the expense of dynamic range and sound quality.

The CD version of Death Magnetic takes this to an extreme, pushing the compression past the point of distortion. The version used on the Guitar Hero videogame, where players can solo along with James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett, has been mixed differently - with far better dynamic range. The videogame version of the record was made available last week, as an $18 (£9) download.

Mastering engineer Ian Shepherd's analysis of the two versions - shown as graphical waveforms - makes the CD version's hyper-compression acutely visible.

While there is no official response from the famously cantankerous Metallica camp, the engineer who mastered Death Magnetic is apparently as frustrated as the fans.

"I'm certainly sympathetic to your reaction," said Ted Jensen, head engineer at Sterling Sound, quoted on the Metallica forum. "I get to slam my head against that brick wall every day. In this case, the mixes were already brick-walled before they arrived at my place. Suffice to say I would never be pushed to overdrive things as far as they are here."

"Believe me I'm not proud to be associated with this one, and we can only hope that some good will come from this in some form of backlash against volume above all else."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/sep/17/metallica.guitar.hero.loudness.war
 
Metallica album latest victim in 'loudness war'?T

The Death Magnetic CD is compressed so it sounds louder and more forceful - at the expense of sound quality. But don't worry, it'll sound better if you buy Guitar Hero...
Sean Michaels guardian.co.uk, Wednesday September 17 2008 09:34 BST

Audiophile fans of Metallica shouldn't bother buying copies of their new album, Death Magnetic. According to one analyst, the record sounds better in the Guitar Hero video game.

"On purchasing our CD ... we gave the disc a spin and couldn't help wondering if our office headphones were faulty as the kick and snare drum seemed to be audibly clipping, along with some of the palm-muted guitar parts," wrote Chris Vinnecombe, guitar editor of music-making website MusicRadar.

The sound issues are a result of the "loudness war" - an ongoing industry effort to make recordings as loud as possible, so that on cursory listens tracks leap forcefully from the speakers. While any album can just have its volume turned up on your stereo, records like Death Magnetic have their audio compressed, making them inherently louder at the expense of dynamic range and sound quality.

The CD version of Death Magnetic takes this to an extreme, pushing the compression past the point of distortion. The version used on the Guitar Hero videogame, where players can solo along with James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett, has been mixed differently - with far better dynamic range. The videogame version of the record was made available last week, as an $18 (£9) download.

Mastering engineer Ian Shepherd's analysis of the two versions - shown as graphical waveforms - makes the CD version's hyper-compression acutely visible.

While there is no official response from the famously cantankerous Metallica camp, the engineer who mastered Death Magnetic is apparently as frustrated as the fans.

"I'm certainly sympathetic to your reaction," said Ted Jensen, head engineer at Sterling Sound, quoted on the Metallica forum. "I get to slam my head against that brick wall every day. In this case, the mixes were already brick-walled before they arrived at my place. Suffice to say I would never be pushed to overdrive things as far as they are here."

"Believe me I'm not proud to be associated with this one, and we can only hope that some good will come from this in some form of backlash against volume above all else."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/sep/17/metallica.guitar.hero.loudness.war

God you have to be kidding right? that is a total shit-on for people who actually bought this CD. and a bad excuse. I wouldn't even bother checking out the other version cause none of the songs appealed to me to begin with but actually charging people almost $20 for another version is pathetic. Metallica wants your money pretty bad, maybe it was a conspiracy set up by Lars?
"Hey guys let's make a horrible CD then sell another copy and say it's better to make some more cash". I could see that little midget doing that. haha.
 
the internet is on fire about these serious clipping issues :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/sep/17/metallica.guitar.hero.loudness.war
http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/crickets/tag/Death Magnetic/
http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/09/does-metallicas.html
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/andy-sneap/424056-metallica-death-magnetic-ripped-2.html
http://music.ign.com/articles/910/910469p1.html
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=191230
http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/blog-death-magnetic-sounds-better-in-guitar-hero-173961
http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/crickets/tag/Death Magnetic/
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=59191.msg525931
http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=656589&Main=656094
http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=7485
http://www.icompositions.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=58811
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/327786-death-magnetic.html
http://www.rushmessageboard.com/cpmb/index.php?showtopic=25937&st=0
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pacomemo/2852763561/
http://www.guitariste.com/forums/groupe-artiste,metallica-en-bien-ou,11855,22120.html
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/ge.../67110-death-magnetic-wave-form-analysis.html
http://www.allmetalforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8206&page=16
http://forum.encycmet.com/viewtopic.php?p=248270&sid=083b9644222dcc408bf672aea7c46a09
http://www.gothtopic.com/forum/showthread.php?p=144203
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51723
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=27691&st=375&p=586201&#entry586201
http://stereogum.com/archives/metal...-hero_022001.html?utm_source=bb&utm_medium=rc
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1610978#post1610978
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?p=30186889
http://josephrose.tumblr.com/post/50335738/death-magnetic-mastering-engineer-speaks-out
http://digg.com/music/Re_Mix_or_Remaster_Death_Magnetic_Petition
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/gen...34347-death-magnetic-new-metallica-album.html
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?p=942069
http://www.metalsludge.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=175007
http://dreamtheaterforums.org/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=17015.0
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=555773
http://screwattack.com/node/9876
http://heartofmetal.niceboard.com/h...metallica-death-magnetic-thread-t5898-775.htm
http://lastfm.spiegel.de/music/Metallica/+shoutbox?page=2
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=27555330
 
As someone who just forked out $20 for the album I must say I am very pissed off about this.
 
I hope this setlist isn't indicative of their upcoming U.S. tour. I will happily stay home if it's anything like what they played in Berlin the other night:

METALLICA
DEATH MAGNETIC WORLD TOUR
9/12/2008
O2 World Arena
Berlin, Germany


That Was Just Your Life
End Of The Line
The Thing That Should Not Be
Of Wolf Of Man
One
Broken, Beat, and Scarred
Cyanide
Frantic
Until It Sleeps
Wherever I May Roam
For Whom The Bells Tolls
The Day That Never Comes
Master Of Puppets
Blackened
ENCORES-
Blitzkrieg
Jump In The Fire
Seek and Destroy
 
i highly doubt metallica would take out anthrax again,scott and kirk are good friends but i dont think they would let anthrax blow them off the stage.

If Bush was still in the band they might have a chance. Now that they have Cookie Monster for a singer, doubtful. Besides, at this point I'd be more excited to see Down anyway.
 
here is a radio rip of the BBC show on 14th September

TRACKS....: 01
LENGTH....: 69:05 min
SIZE......: 76,7 MB
QUALITY...: VBRkbps

01) That Was Just Your Life*
02) The End of the Line
03) Until It Sleeps
04) Broken, Beat & Scarred
05) Cyanide
06) Frantic
07) For Whom The Bell Tolls
08) The Day That Never Comes
09) Master Of Puppets
10) Blackened

http://rapidshare.com/files/145734426/metbbc08.rar
 
Here is a very good wuality radio rip of the BBC show on 14th September

TRACKS....: 01
LENGTH....: 69:05 min
SIZE......: 76,7 MB
QUALITY...: VBRkbps

01) That Was Just Your Life
02) The End of the Line
03) Until It Sleeps
04) Broken, Beat & Scarred
05) Cyanide
06) Frantic
07) For Whom The Bell Tolls
08) The Day That Never Comes
09) Master Of Puppets
10) Blackened


http://rapidshare.com/files/145734426/metbbc08.rar
 
Ted Jensen who mastered "Death Magnetic" answered as follows to a guy who asked him about the painful digital distortion heard on the record :

"Thanks for writing.

I’m certainly sympathetic to your reaction, I get to slam my head against that brick wall every day. In this case the mixes were already brick walled before they arrived at my place. Suffice it to say I would never be pushed to overdrive things as far as they are here. Believe me I’m not proud to be associated with this one, and we can only hope that some good will come from this in some form of backlash against volume above all else."


I must say I find the record really hard to listen from start to finish.

You can hear it's clipping really bad and all the details are squashed to death by the insane compression.

I just signed that petition even if I'm not optimistic about the band taking notice of all the bitching about that issue. :mad:

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/re-mix-or-remaster-death-magnetic/sign.html



http://mastering-media.blogspot.com/2008/09/metallica-death-magnetic-stop-loudness.html
http://mastering-media.blogspot.com/2008/09/metallica-death-magnetic-sounds-better.html
 
Meh. I got a bootleg copy 10 days before it was released. Some good stuff on there, a lot of filler, most songs are too long, the instrumental is crap. Just think they are flogging a dead horse now. Its good, but not brilliant, and certainly not Metallica at their best. 3.5/10.

Still not gonna waste money on it. :heh:
 
I've just read all the posts on the topic: from post 1 to post 78. My personal "thank you" to everyone who posted his opinion. They definitely helped me to reach an important decision mentioned above - Still not gonna waste money on it.