Deliverance is Great, and Lopez is clearly a GOD
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shivering corpse
Ty Cobbb
indeed, i just realized he was a god when i focused on the double bass and drumming period in Wreath
I just don't understand this. There's a lot of double bass in Deliverance, but the world is full of drummers who can play like that, so what am I missing here? Anders Nordin I quess 
Natural Born Chaos
lost in graveland
Originally posted by M.Lehto
I just don't understand this. There's a lot of double bass in Deliverance, but the world is full of drummers who can play like that, so what am I missing here? Anders Nordin I quess
Yes. Being able to hit two bass drums really fast does not make you a god.
Nonetheless, Martin is a very talented drummer.
Protected Witness
Magickal Theatre 33
Originally posted by M.Lehto
I just don't understand this. There's a lot of double bass in Deliverance, but the world is full of drummers who can play like that, so what am I missing here? Anders Nordin I quess
Jeez Louise!
What made Anders Nordin better than Martin Lopez? The guy was straight ahead, and his set wasn't recorded nearly as well as any of the albums Lopez played on, yet everyone is so freaking in love with Orchid and Morningrise and anything or anyone that had anything to do with it (included riffs, lyrics, and song lengths) that they can't appreciate anything Opeth has done since then.
I really feel bad for all the people who bitch about how shitty and boring Blackwater Park is and now they don't like Deliverance either! I bet more than half of the people on here who criticize Opeth are not even muscians, therefore you would think it would be easier to appreciate their music since they don't know anything about how hard a riff is or how this drum passage is pretty complex, it should just sound cool or not cool without having to think about how difficult it is to play, but no...."They'll never do another album that reaches the magnifcance of Morningrise's Black Rose Immortal."
Jesus, you only have to say it once, why do these people have to post it every time someone mentions something positive about a different album???
(Man, I'm bitchy today. I shoulda changed my tampon or something...)
Misanthrope
Latin, NOT Mexican.
Well I think that:
-Orchid and Morningrise are ok but seriously overrated
-MAYH was an amazing, rich and refreshing album
-Still Life and Blackwater park did little ( close to nothing ) to move await from the MAYH formulas ( read: same songs, different cover )
-Deliverance is another amazing and rich album, wich is refreshing and it only has the repetition factor as a downside, but already improving in created an admospheric approach to it rather than a boring plays the same riffs for hours approach.
What does that makes me ( in your opinion of course )
-Orchid and Morningrise are ok but seriously overrated
-MAYH was an amazing, rich and refreshing album
-Still Life and Blackwater park did little ( close to nothing ) to move await from the MAYH formulas ( read: same songs, different cover )
-Deliverance is another amazing and rich album, wich is refreshing and it only has the repetition factor as a downside, but already improving in created an admospheric approach to it rather than a boring plays the same riffs for hours approach.
What does that makes me ( in your opinion of course )
Protected Witness
Magickal Theatre 33
Static
Manically depressed robot
Originally posted by M.Lehto
I just don't understand this. There's a lot of double bass in Deliverance, but the world is full of drummers who can play like that, so what am I missing here? Anders Nordin I quess
Lopez's work on Deliverance is better than any of Nordin's drumming. Its not just the double bass you should be basing your opinion on but the brilliant use of pretty much every single tool on his drum kit...
yeah double bass is something many can do, he has great endurance as far as that goes...pay attention to his snare and cymbal work on this cd, specifically the use of the ride...he has great fuckin timing..just like a good jazz drummer, hes moved up on my favorite drummers list, right behind danny carey and possibly chad sexton (311)
Ermz
¯\(°_o)/¯
Yup, the drumming is definately one of the highlights of the album... I knew Lopez had it in him from Amon Amarth... Viking-Metal skills.
Misanthrope
Latin, NOT Mexican.
Originally posted by Satori
I said everything I wanted to say in the title,
Bahahah
Hail Opeth!
I guess your opinion on his drumming has greatly improved, yet i still think he retains most ( if not all ) of his previous style of drumming.
Static
Manically depressed robot
MetalManCPA
Papa Opeth
Lopez's work on Deliverance isn't necessarily the fastest, or most technical drumming. BUT - in the context of an album, and more specifically in the context of each song (especially Deliverance to me), the drumming couldn't match more perfectly the mood of the song. He exhibits a mastery of the sound of drums - he uses different taps of the cymbols, off-beat snares, etc to perfection.
What makes a musician in a band great is not that he/she is individually the best technical musician in the world. When you are in a band, you are part of a team. And the team on Deliverance worked quite well together.
And Lopez held up his end of the bargain (exceeded expectations to me).
What makes a musician in a band great is not that he/she is individually the best technical musician in the world. When you are in a band, you are part of a team. And the team on Deliverance worked quite well together.
And Lopez held up his end of the bargain (exceeded expectations to me).
Misanthrope
Latin, NOT Mexican.
Originally posted by Static
Very true. Agreed.
Oh both of you dont worry, i realize its easy to fool stupid people by playing different keys and diferent notes but the same structures progressions styles and structures. ( yes i said structures 2 times because its obvious and it should be remarked the fact that the structures are so similar on those 3 albums, clearly a proof that its formula metal )
SoulVomitor
Tormentor
you don't read books becasue all writers are using the same words and the same schemas of sentences?
you are missing the most importatn thing here which is the content.
Mr. Niel:
You got it wrong, I like Deliverance very much and there's nothing wrong with the drumming or anything. It's just that Nordin/DeFarfalla sounded so good in my ears, that it's almost impossible to beat. Only bad thing that I could say about the newer albums is, that bass is so low, or at least it doesn't appear as much as it did before, but if that's the way Mike wants it, thats the way ! I bet the "new" band is as good as the "old", it's just different. It's like Yngwie Malmsteen and Steve Vai, both are amazing players, but still many people who likes Vai, hates Yngwie and vice versa. In my opinion Lopez has more groove than Nordin and I bet that Damnation is the record he will shine. And the rest of my thoughts are just what Hearse did say, my first introduction to Opeth was just before Morningrise was released, so that might just be the case, why I just love the first 2 albums! The fact is, that if they would had continued in the same style they did on Morningrise, they would now sound so boring cause it would be the same all over again and again, but they change on every album and that's the right way.
You got it wrong, I like Deliverance very much and there's nothing wrong with the drumming or anything. It's just that Nordin/DeFarfalla sounded so good in my ears, that it's almost impossible to beat. Only bad thing that I could say about the newer albums is, that bass is so low, or at least it doesn't appear as much as it did before, but if that's the way Mike wants it, thats the way ! I bet the "new" band is as good as the "old", it's just different. It's like Yngwie Malmsteen and Steve Vai, both are amazing players, but still many people who likes Vai, hates Yngwie and vice versa. In my opinion Lopez has more groove than Nordin and I bet that Damnation is the record he will shine. And the rest of my thoughts are just what Hearse did say, my first introduction to Opeth was just before Morningrise was released, so that might just be the case, why I just love the first 2 albums! The fact is, that if they would had continued in the same style they did on Morningrise, they would now sound so boring cause it would be the same all over again and again, but they change on every album and that's the right way.
Misanthrope
Latin, NOT Mexican.
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