Deliverance Meaning

[worldwide_suicide]

what? is it about death? 'cause there are millions of ways you can die.

 

[metal_wrath]

haha, true

 

[dcat]

OT: Just read this on the beeb...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5259380.stm

Mind how you go peeps.

Samsara at work again imo.

 

[daz436]

heh, that's just your interpretation it can mean everyone from the village, from the council or even the world! besides, had he slain the whole town, who would apprehend him in the end and hang him? And from what I remember, there were townsfolk gathered at the place of execution...

I just love nerdfights

BTW, I bought Serart recently and must say it's pretty nice! Still haven't grown on me enough though

awesome. i was sceptical about it before buying it but i really appreciate the album now. the first track to jump out at me was Devils Wedding but now i'm more into the quickfire stuff from it like Zumba and black melon.
good album anyways.

 

[daz436]

yeah, who hung him if then if he killed the entire village?

he intended to kill the entire village until at last weak and torn he was brought down

 

[atlantis19]

I can see how insanity may be an interesting topic to toy around with, but I still cant find much justification for someone writing lyrics about drowning people as if it is almost an everyday thing (especially in the context of cool music). Finally I've gotten over the whole Ghost Reveries thing because I realize that Mikael is not satanist and such, but does anybody know what may have been behind the Deliverance lyrics?

(does anyone else have a bit of a struggle with such lyrics? I may just be over-worrying, but I feel like such ideas can be potentially unsafe to put out to some sick people in the world)

I do love their music so much though, as well as most of their lyrics, but its just a few of the more violent lyrics that baffle me.

 

[in_my_time_of_disease]

+1 on the use of the search function.

 

[Stilgar]

I can see how insanity may be an interesting topic to toy around with, but I still cant find much justification for someone writing lyrics about drowning people as if it is almost an everyday thing (especially in the context of cool music). Finally I've gotten over the whole Ghost Reveries thing because I realize that Mikael is not satanist and such, but does anybody know what may have been behind the Deliverance lyrics?

(does anyone else have a bit of a struggle with such lyrics? I may just be over-worrying, but I feel like such ideas can be potentially unsafe to put out to some sick people in the world)

I do love their music so much though, as well as most of their lyrics, but its just a few of the more violent lyrics that baffle me.

It's just music. Why take the lyrics seriously? I've listened to Opeth since 1994 and various death/black/doom/etc -metal bands since 1991 and I still haven't killed anyone, or sacrificed a goat, or burned a church, or done anything else abnormal that have to do with lyrics or image associated with said bands.

Why worry? If a person is so deranged that he/she is going to go kill people inspired by something external, he/she would most certainly do it even without whatever he/she got inspired by, may it be lyrics, poems, movies, books or video games. It just would take a different shape.

Certain books (I'm sure you know what books I'm talking about) I must say have been a cause for mass murder more than others though, but that's not due to the book, but due to strong leaders interpreting the book in a certain way for their own means and for some reason being able to get more weak-minded people to do his/her bidding. Or sometimes it's done by scare tactics, etc. But as I said, the books themselves are not to blame in this case either.

 

[philno]

I can see how insanity may be an interesting topic to toy around with, but I still cant find much justification for someone writing lyrics about drowning people as if it is almost an everyday thing (especially in the context of cool music). Finally I've gotten over the whole Ghost Reveries thing because I realize that Mikael is not satanist and such, but does anybody know what may have been behind the Deliverance lyrics?

(does anyone else have a bit of a struggle with such lyrics? I may just be over-worrying, but I feel like such ideas can be potentially unsafe to put out to some sick people in the world)

I do love their music so much though, as well as most of their lyrics, but its just a few of the more violent lyrics that baffle me.

what exactly does mike need justification for? for writing about a topic an 8 year old boy might be scared of? they're just lyrics.

 

[in_my_time_of_disease]

The music is dark and heavy so the lyrics are just in context. Hence darkness, evil, suicide, murder etc being a major lyrical context for a large percentage of metal bands. The "violence" or darker themes or whatever you want to call them are pretty tame in Opeth, compared to a lot of other metal bands.

 

[Vega Skater]

When I used to listen to Deliverance, I pictured an Immortal-style epic video with 2 mountain cliffs separated by a large body of water. The band would play on one side, with a guitarist emerging on the other with the entrance of the 'The piercing sounds..' riff. Then the end of the song would act out like a battle, with every bass drum kick causing a disturbance in the body of water.

Anyone else had ridiculous video ideas circulating in their minds when listening to Opeth songs?

 

[BefriendedUnit]

When I hear Deliverance I picture a dude turning into a dragon and stealing some chick and killing her. And then he's like "oh shit" and stops being evil. But he's still a little evil. Also he's an emo, so her memories are the scars on him.

 

[Vuashke]

i have no idea, it sounded to me at one point (the clean part near the start) that hes talking about walking with a girl he loves or something but doesnt return that love. so he ends up killing her "as i drown you in the sea" etc

 

[Ozzloaf]

This song is definitely about drowning someone:

'your wrist in my face grip
look me in the eye, I'm clear
this is your time
face down beneath the waterline'
'gasping for air
mercy in my eyes
is the shade of the night
the piercing sounds you make'

Once the person is killed, all thats left of him/her are the scars he/she left on the narrator.

Salvation for the victim comes being murdered, and in committing the murder, the narrator has lost his deliverance.

It also sounds like the victim was in love with the killer:

'from love to death
in a time span of seconds'

Perhaps it was a husband that killed a wife?

 

[Stilgar]

It's not only metal that can have these kind of more "evil" lyrics. Just look at Nick Cave and the album Murder Ballads. There was a song from that album, a duet with Kylie Minogue; "Where the wild roses grow" that became a huge hit and nobody ever questioned the validity of that song.

Just for fun I quoted the lyrics of that particular song below and colored the lines for the victim in blue and the murderer in orange.

They call me The Wild Rose
But my name was Elisa Day
Why they call me it I do not know
For my name was Elisa Day

From the first day I saw her I knew she was the one
She stared in my eyes and smiled
For her lips were the colour of the roses
That grew down the river, all bloody and wild

When he knocked on my door and entered the room
My trembling subsided in his sure embrace
He would be my first man, and with a careful hand
He wiped at the tears that ran down my face

[Chorus]

On the second day I brought her a flower
She was more beautiful than any woman I'd seen
I said, "Do you know where the wild roses grow
So sweet and scarlet and free?"

On the second day he came with a single red rose
Said: "Will you give me your loss and your sorrow"
I nodded my head, as I lay on the bed
He said, "If I show you the roses, will you follow?"

[Chorus]

On the third day he took me to the river
He showed me the roses and we kissed
And the last thing I heard was a muttered word
As he stood smiling above me with a rock in his fist

On the last day I took her where the wild roses grow
And she lay on the bank, the wind light as a thief
And I kissed her goodbye, said, "All beauty must die"
And lent down and planted a rose between her teeth

[Chorus]

 

[Black Session]

The meaning of the songs (before Watershed at least) are not that important mostly, as they are just written to enhance the dark and evil sound of the song .... Mikael has stated this many many times by the way.

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/opeth/218537-mikael-scientologist.html#post4247725 about Scientology being inspiration for the song.

 

[in_my_time_of_disease]

Guess atlantis19 wouldn't be a fan of "each and every one would die at my hands, choking in warm ponds of blood".

 

[atlantis19]

Guess atlantis19 wouldn't be a fan of "each and every one would die at my hands, choking in warm ponds of blood".

Somehow it doesnt really concern me if it is part of a concept album storyline.

 

[in_my_time_of_disease]

^Well lets make up a concept for Deliverance so it doesn't bother you. If you read into it enough I'm sure we can make up something to connect the songs remotely together. After all Heir Apparent might be about George Bush .

 

[Nasty-Fire]

What is the song about? Opinions?

Skipping all the freaky comments, I'd say it talk about a psycho killer, indeed. More precisely, a man who (I guess) is drowning a women (makes it more dramatic) but I don't know if it's because he hates or love her, which is pretty psycho anyway, but I'm not really sure. A man kills a woman and then regrets what he did during that impulsive moment.

The meaning of the songs (before Watershed at least) are not that important mostly, as they are just written to enhance the dark and evil sound of the song .... Mikael has stated this many many times by the way.

He just doesn't want to reveal the thruth of a real murder he did some years ago, while he was insane.