OldScratch
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Our government is a travesty, on both sides of the aisle.
The fact is, Shinseki already denounced the plan as it was in the works because we wouldn't have enough troops on the ground for the protection of resources, cities, etc. from insurgents. What happened? Rumsfeld fired him and got a "yes-man" in there. Now, in a sense, over 3,000 troops have died over the past three years before this "administration" could swallow it's pride and admit that it fucked up. And in the end, what did they do? Bolstered the troop count, although it's still not nearly enough. Iraq needs no less than 250,000 troops on the ground to clean up this mess, and they could've had it at the beginning but our fearless leaders fucked it all up. Now we've got a palsy 20,000 extra troops on the ground for protection, when we could've had 120,000 more at the beginning. The American people don't trust the prez, so he's gonna have to fight for whatever he gets. In a nutshell, they fucked up and it's three years too late to fix it. This troop bolster is a band-aid, not a fix. Do you really think that 20k troops is going to fix everything?
On the other hand, the dems...well...they're dems. Equally worthless and clueless.
The Republicans are morons and the Democrats are spineless pussies. Yeah. The US government definitely needs an enema. How can they look at the American people and still spout off how great life is in the US when politicians will sell out their own military for popularity and the other side will straight up abandon them? I hope they all die in a fire.
This is indeed the shining pearl of wisdom in this thread. Not only are both parties corrupt and essentially worthless, but in so many ways the Dems talk a good game but aren't traditionally liberal so much as radical Social-Maxists, and the Republicans aren't remotely conservative, but rather just globalist, big-spending, hyper-capitalist neoconmen.
The legitimate political Right in this country isn't even acknowledged anymore. The mainstream media(and perhaps a few here) should pick up a copy of 'The American Conservative', or read some Paul Craig Roberts, Justin Raimondo, (The late)Sam Francis, or the like, and discover that the "Old" (ie. legitimate non "neo") Right has been squarely against Bush and his Iraqi adventures from the start; not to mention the obscene spending of his administartion and the Republican Congress, his criminal apathy toward and enabling of the immigration/invasion crisis, etc.
Of course the question remains - however much of an ill-conceived disaster Iraq has become(or always has been), can we simply walk away now? Is it not a foregone conclusion that the Civil War there will almost certainly intensify or descend into absolute chaos, once American forces depart? What ethical obligation is America on the hook for, regardless of how one feels about the war itself? Part of me says bring the troops home anyway...but is that realistic? And is it not likely that we will simply be forced BACK into Iraq to stabilize, or attempt to stabilize a nation in utter chaos...chaos we arrogantly and foolishly ushered in?