digidesign's protools hd nov / dec upgrade special
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black.death
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I personally would wait on buying this crazy old technology. The current Digidesign/Avid systems will be replaced.
The writing is on the wall http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/07/31/mackie-cracks-the-digidesign-code/
Also absolutely do not buy a Mac Pro now either, they are long due for an upgrade. Current Mac Pros have been out for over 250 days! Seriously they were released in March.
Stick with what you have, keep making money. Re-evaluate come January.
The writing is on the wall http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/07/31/mackie-cracks-the-digidesign-code/
Also absolutely do not buy a Mac Pro now either, they are long due for an upgrade. Current Mac Pros have been out for over 250 days! Seriously they were released in March.
Stick with what you have, keep making money. Re-evaluate come January.
gabriel g.
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Dude ,
Mackies new Onyx series can run protools m-powered (something similar) thats no big mistery
About the Mac-pros:
They are totaly up to date!!! There will be nothing new comming this year....I think maybe late 2010, but with no major changes...
The only thing I can think of is that DIGI will release a major Protools version which is just NATIVE but can run on all the HD systems....
Or some sort of new Digi racks which totaly support I/O , delay compensation, no track limits.... blablabla
black.death
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Yes, the current Mac Pro's are "up to date" meaning that it is the most current available. However, that does not mean that it is wise to buy this moment. Buying any computer that is over 250 days old is not a wise idea at all since a more powerful replacement model that will be priced exactly the same is nearing.
Like I said wait till January. Also I just posted the Mackie info as to show the direction that Digidesign/Avid are approaching. I personally would not risk around $11k+ for all this old technology. I would wait a bit, especially if I already had a system that was paid for and making me money.
Like I said wait till January. Also I just posted the Mackie info as to show the direction that Digidesign/Avid are approaching. I personally would not risk around $11k+ for all this old technology. I would wait a bit, especially if I already had a system that was paid for and making me money.
AudioGeekZine
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The catch is that HD isn't very powerful anymore.
Read all of this:
http://duc.digidesign.com/showthread.php?t=257190 PC Version - Take note of what user Shan is doing with an LE system
http://duc.digidesign.com/showthread.php?t=257189 Mac Version
Read all of this:
http://duc.digidesign.com/showthread.php?t=257190 PC Version - Take note of what user Shan is doing with an LE system
http://duc.digidesign.com/showthread.php?t=257189 Mac Version
Well mac pros are completely upgradeable so it wouldnt really matter, plus you cant get much better than 8 cores
And if there was ever in room for improvement in the DISTANT future, he could easily just pop some more memory or processor. i highly doubt they will upgrade the mac pros now, they are coming out with upgradeable parts such as graphics cards and the new apple mouse and other things of the sort..something tells me he won't have time to sift through 83 pages of fighting over HD vs. native...
The bottom line is that HD is gonna be more powerful than nuendo or whatever, and like a lot of people have already mentioned, the new system is going to be more expensive, and it will take a while to work out the bugs, and not a lot of people will be switching right out of the gates.
You will still have a nice hd setup of your own for a great deal, and it will still be a big step up.
::XeS::
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anyone here with an PT HD setup have anything to add? this is a shit load of money to invest into something that has a lot of people yelling. people who have much less money but still make the situation work just as good (cranked up native systems)...
AudioGeekZine
arsehole know-it-all
the bottom line is, HD 3-5 years a go was more powerful than nuendo or whatever. Not the case in 2010.
LE/M-powered doesn't have good enough interfaces, HD is expensive and ancient.
Delay compensation wackiness, no faster than realtime bounce, expensive plugins.
Someone made the point that for $5000 or more. A recording system should work like an appliance.
LE/M-powered doesn't have good enough interfaces, HD is expensive and ancient.
Delay compensation wackiness, no faster than realtime bounce, expensive plugins.
Someone made the point that for $5000 or more. A recording system should work like an appliance.
AudioGeekZine
arsehole know-it-all
you guys are all crazy...
I have HD1 accel on a mac pro quad-core.
1. Current mac pros are outdated?? what?? My Mac is almost 3 years old and it will last me another 3 years. And maybe another 3 if I upgrade it. Sure, the new mac pro's have twice the power, but my OLDER mac pro is still twice the power I need!
2. Some arguments are that current processors are far for powerful than HD cards, people saying you can't run as many plugs on the TDM card as on your CPU. This is true but it doesn't matter. These days you wouldn't buy PTHD for the plug-in processing, you buy it for the stable audio engine which is independent of your CPU. It will work the same every day regardless of what your processor is doing. In my biggest mix sessions, my CPU usage meter has never gone above 45% and is usually much lower. Just use RTAS plugs and let the TDM cards handle the rest. (although using TDM plugins and sends / busses with no latency while tracking is great)
3. Yes, it would seem that this deal is an indication that Digi is releasing something new soon. That may be true, but keep in mind that these rumors have been popping up every year on Gearslutz and similar forums for a while now. Truth is even if they do release something new, any HD system you buy now will be supported and sufficient for years to come. Think about it... I know everyone here is all about Logic and native DAWs and the newest machines, but in reality the pro world runs on PTHD. It IS the standard and it will be a slow transition to anything new. Hell, lots of big studios are still using old G5s with PCI cards and it works just fine... do you think they're going to jump in right away and spend a bunch of money on the mythical new Digi product?? no way. Anyone doing this professionally day in, day out needs a stable system and they're too busy to care about what's "new" if their current setup is working. Digi knows that, which is why they haven't updated the HD line in a while. It still works fine, it's the people who can't afford it that complain.
It's easy to let a few haters on internet forums influence your purchases. But really, aside from the price I can't think of a single negative thing about PT HD. And for someone like you Joey - that cost isn't unreasonable, and HD2 on a new mac pro will give you at least 5 years of rock solid recording where you can focus on the music instead of worry about your system.
I have HD1 accel on a mac pro quad-core.
1. Current mac pros are outdated?? what?? My Mac is almost 3 years old and it will last me another 3 years. And maybe another 3 if I upgrade it. Sure, the new mac pro's have twice the power, but my OLDER mac pro is still twice the power I need!
2. Some arguments are that current processors are far for powerful than HD cards, people saying you can't run as many plugs on the TDM card as on your CPU. This is true but it doesn't matter. These days you wouldn't buy PTHD for the plug-in processing, you buy it for the stable audio engine which is independent of your CPU. It will work the same every day regardless of what your processor is doing. In my biggest mix sessions, my CPU usage meter has never gone above 45% and is usually much lower. Just use RTAS plugs and let the TDM cards handle the rest. (although using TDM plugins and sends / busses with no latency while tracking is great)
3. Yes, it would seem that this deal is an indication that Digi is releasing something new soon. That may be true, but keep in mind that these rumors have been popping up every year on Gearslutz and similar forums for a while now. Truth is even if they do release something new, any HD system you buy now will be supported and sufficient for years to come. Think about it... I know everyone here is all about Logic and native DAWs and the newest machines, but in reality the pro world runs on PTHD. It IS the standard and it will be a slow transition to anything new. Hell, lots of big studios are still using old G5s with PCI cards and it works just fine... do you think they're going to jump in right away and spend a bunch of money on the mythical new Digi product?? no way. Anyone doing this professionally day in, day out needs a stable system and they're too busy to care about what's "new" if their current setup is working. Digi knows that, which is why they haven't updated the HD line in a while. It still works fine, it's the people who can't afford it that complain.
It's easy to let a few haters on internet forums influence your purchases. But really, aside from the price I can't think of a single negative thing about PT HD. And for someone like you Joey - that cost isn't unreasonable, and HD2 on a new mac pro will give you at least 5 years of rock solid recording where you can focus on the music instead of worry about your system.
first and foremost, thanks for the post. pt and mac is all a brand new world to me. ive been on steinberg for at least 6 years now, and this is all going to be new to me. im even ditching the pc platform and switching to mac.
i need high performance, scary high performance.
let me give you an idea of what one of my days can be like. i was recording a band who was working with a co-writer, and the co-writer couldnt write a melody to the song as is, so he recorded it in a different key, acoustic, and sung over that. when we got it back we loved the song acoustic, so i had to make that happen, in 32 hours. i hopped on my computer and went to work. in the end, the track came out real sweet, but i had to make several compromises to make it happen. first off, i had to switch back and forth from 3gb mode on xp so i could open up some higher end VST's (they need more ram than xp can deliver on standard boot settings)... i have 4 gb in my system, so i have to boot in 3gb mode so i gain an extra gig for program use (the vst). this bugs the shit out of me. you know what this does? this causes me to be lazy, and not want to add a string part or something of that nature to a song just because i have to do all of this shit to make it happen.
another thing i had to do was "hope" that something would work. for instance, i'd get an instrument track sounding great, but before i could go to the next instrument to play an accompany part, i had to bounce the prior. when i got a little further i discovered i need to change the old part. i had to bounce the new instrument, reload the instrument and make an edit to the midi and re run the bounce on the prior instrument. blah blah that goes on forever.
finally, i never got to hear the song fully finished until after i made all the bounces. im used to things being this way so it wasnt bad at all, i planned well. but it would be nice to experiment creatively instead of having to plan all of the time. this is music we're talking about. there's no guitar player that every time he picks up the instrument, plans exactley what his going to play note for note until he puts it down. audio production should not be like this either.
but anyways, i need zero latency. at this point in my career, i can hear the effects of 2 milliseconds off, and i am always struggling by muting and un muting takes for the musicians as they track, so they won't become slowed down by this slight natural delay compensation. is it fucking weird that i can hear a vocalist nailing the take during the tracking, then go back to hear it changed by a millisecond?? in addition to this, i can't rely on vari audio or time warp to be 100% precise. its about 85% precise. if i need to take 4 notes of a solo and time stretch them to quantize them to the grid, i expect that quantization change to STAY (when i've heard it correctly on play back) after i bounce. what happens? it does not stay, it changes. randomly. and i've done my research, its not supposed to. mpex 4 algorithm is bugged, and has been bugged from the start. its not sample accurate. neither is the realtime bounce of time warp. (i use cubase 5, so thats where this is coming from).
its pretty hard to dismiss pt when i watch a 60 second video on youtube of someone taking a song and changing the tempo of the whole thing in two steps, and it actually sounds fucking decent. WTF. i diserve that. with the amount of money im making, and the people im working with, i should be able to have this power, and i dont.
i really want pt to be the end all for me, and with its place in the industry being so firm, im finding it hard to believe there's anything else that's rivaling it when so many professionals turn to PT for the end all solution to executing their job.
i just want to make sure im getting what i need. and through my own personal research, that has turned out to be pt hd 2.
::XeS::
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+1 to Jval.
We don't know if a new product will come out in january...it could simply be a marketing speculation to sell more hd system with a little discount.
Anyway the HD systems will be supported for years.
It's a tought decision because no one knows if there will be a new product in the new year and it sucks because if you buy HD now and there will not be a new interface, ok you win. But if there will be a new interface, HD systems probably will become way cheaper than now and maybe the new interface will cost equal an hd interface now so, in this case you loose.
Said that, my advice for you Joey, is DO IT. You have to work and you can't bother with these "new interface probably come out VS old hd system". An HD system is the standard, works like a charm and it does the job.
We don't know if a new product will come out in january...it could simply be a marketing speculation to sell more hd system with a little discount.
Anyway the HD systems will be supported for years.
It's a tought decision because no one knows if there will be a new product in the new year and it sucks because if you buy HD now and there will not be a new interface, ok you win. But if there will be a new interface, HD systems probably will become way cheaper than now and maybe the new interface will cost equal an hd interface now so, in this case you loose.
Said that, my advice for you Joey, is DO IT. You have to work and you can't bother with these "new interface probably come out VS old hd system". An HD system is the standard, works like a charm and it does the job.
im not concerned with this argument. digidesign could create an even better system than what they've designed, and no matter how many people upgraded to this new system, got out of their old system (some of these systems are over 100 thousand dollars)... i would still be in a brand new world FOR ME. i've done great work with crippling situations. having a non crippling situation would increase my work, life, and decrease my stress level ten fold.
edit: AND thanks for the support on the decision.
