Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
Yep, no joke. Drummers seem to be the most notorious for having gear that is fucked up.
I only knew the heads were stock because they had the pearl logo on them.
uke:
Do most of you guys even record drums?
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Yep, no joke. Drummers seem to be the most notorious for having gear that is fucked up.
I only knew the heads were stock because they had the pearl logo on them.
uke:
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
I don't agree.
The problem is in how people program. Most of the time for instance this is the bast beat you get when some noob programs it:
A shitty bast
When in reality this is how a blast would actually sound:
A good blast
Same with the hats and ride, all programs that I have encountered have numerous hat positions and articulations as well as velocity zones to make things more real. It's only when a noob drags out perfect 16th notes on the same articulation at 127 velocity does it sound all shit.
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
Not a bad idea. The problem is getting close minded drummers to go with it.
Also: Playing an e kit feels nothing like playing an acoustic kit. If the drummer has never done it before it's not gonna work well.
It also depends heavily on the ekit. My TD-3 for example sucks out loud when it comes to the hat sound because it's not one of those variable ones where you can do partially open hits. It's either open, or it's closed. Fucking sucks, but for the cost of a really nice e kit I would rather have a really nice acoustic kit.
I would assume almost everyone would program it close to the way you did here. It still does not sound convincing. The hats still sound fake. The snare velocities are fine and useable though.
A sample played quickly loses its natural decay to the start of the next sample which is played from a resting starting point. When you play an actual real sloshy hihat quickly it does not reach a resting starting point, it is still busy sounding when the next hit occurs. This gives it a different sound and feel. Same as all cymbals and ride (and all drums for that matter- but the big problem lies in cymbals, hh, and ride)
Program a cymbal swell.
guitarguru777
Member
Ok so just cause I mix in a Bedroom does that put me in the same category?
I record real drum, sample replace / enhance if needed. I record real amps with real mics and cabs....
I don't own a Studio with a big room and perfect sound treatment, but I don't use sim's and programmed drums (unless the client specifically asks for programmed drums)
Granted I agree with you to the point of "amp sims" like the free ones. I firmly feel you need to spend some cash for quality amp sims if you want to use them. (IE Pod Farm, AxeFX) but using nothing but free sim's, stolen impulses, and hacked waves plugins in NOT a studio.
guitarguru777
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Mago
Austrian Blech Machine
yop it's possible...when drummers set their e-kits in ways were it compresses the velocities or something...allready got midi files played with e drums were all the snares were at 127, because the drummer wanted it that way...
not everyone knows how to record stuff, but with midi you can fix everything anyway afterwards.
But with programmed drums its the same as with micing drums: you need knowledge and some practice and experiemnts to make it sound good, simple as that. Making midi drums sound good also takes some efford and time imo.
If I have the budged to hit a studio for drums then theres no question about not doing it, if not then it's programming drums.
Shitty programmed drums with everything on grid and 127 sounds as shitty as micing a beaten up kit in a shitty room with someone who cant play for shit.
I really don't get all the excitement in this thread.
No. Mix where you want. Sounds like you are actually recording
If a client specifically wants programmed drums, then thats what you use. They have a certain sound and feel and if that is the direction wanted, great.
If anyone is using stolen/hacked/pirated stuff well... I hope you either pay for it or stop using it.
Max Morton
Member
The same thing with toms, when each new hit sounds different pitchwise. I personally hate replacing toms, while blending some good samples with the snare feels absolutely fine.
Wohma
Hearing sounds and voices
This is not going to be a problem with our drummer
Neither the missing feeling of the acoustic kit, at least not so much as to drive him crazy about it, he has already played some electronic kits.We will borrow the e-kit, so it will basically be for free. We could borrow good acoustic drums as well, but there's still considerable cost of studio or getting the recording gear (I have jsut a 2-mic input audio interface).
Anyway, thanks for the input!
The first things I bought were drum mics when I was in 9th grade that I funded with my job, and I've been recording drums since then. There's really no excuses for not doing it. The only time I program is when I do demos for my own band or when I do some random cover here and there.
Setting up microphones for a drum kit tracking is the best part of audio engineering in my opinion, so much fun
I have to agree with you there, Brett.
I cut this local band a SICK deal on tracking just because their drummer is awesome, has a great kit, and knows how to use it. I've been dying to track that dude again.
Cyanide_Anima
yooveesevenbeekay
Could I get some input on drum programming?
How do drummers hit cymbals in relation to the other instruments, timing-wise? Like, A lot of drummers seem to (or at least it sounds to me, rofl, could be way off) that they hit toms a bit later than other instruments often. I've been programming that way, rofl, to kind of "humanize" the drums. Cymbals I tend to nudge a touch late as well. Snare's I usually drag em too, but the kicks I usually hit almost dead on or around the grid. During fills and stuff I rush the snare a touch and drag the toms as well. Like this: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...4186-more-symphonic-metulz-time-new-gear.html
What do you guys do as far as trying to emulate how a drummer hits the individual drums? What about velocities? For velocities I'll have a higher velocity for the first note of each segment of a roll or fill. I also have the note following a little softer sometimes if it suits.
How do drummers hit cymbals in relation to the other instruments, timing-wise? Like, A lot of drummers seem to (or at least it sounds to me, rofl, could be way off) that they hit toms a bit later than other instruments often. I've been programming that way, rofl, to kind of "humanize" the drums. Cymbals I tend to nudge a touch late as well. Snare's I usually drag em too, but the kicks I usually hit almost dead on or around the grid. During fills and stuff I rush the snare a touch and drag the toms as well. Like this: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...4186-more-symphonic-metulz-time-new-gear.html
What do you guys do as far as trying to emulate how a drummer hits the individual drums? What about velocities? For velocities I'll have a higher velocity for the first note of each segment of a roll or fill. I also have the note following a little softer sometimes if it suits.
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
I don't mess with programming other than in songwriting, preproduction, or my own stuff if i can't do drums on it.
I would rather have a shitty drum sound that I am responsible for, or sounds exactly like that shitty drummer sounds like, than just saying oh well i'm just gonna program shit or edit it to fuck and back so it sounds good despite what really happened in this room. If someone compliments me on a drum sound, I want it to be 100% because the people involved worked their asses off to get it right.
I would rather have a shitty drum sound that I am responsible for, or sounds exactly like that shitty drummer sounds like, than just saying oh well i'm just gonna program shit or edit it to fuck and back so it sounds good despite what really happened in this room. If someone compliments me on a drum sound, I want it to be 100% because the people involved worked their asses off to get it right.
Glenn Fricker
Very Metal &Very Bad News
YoRich
Member
real drums in a drum room for me, although I have had to stock a drum kit, spare stands, snares and now cymbals as far to many drummers just dont care about the gear they use or the sound.
Zombietakeover
Member
luismars
Member
Real drums for bands, fake for my own stuff except some collaborations when it's possible. I'm recording everything on the band's practice place, it's funnier to record them!
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
Yeah man, it's definitely on the to get list.
When I started recording it was miked kits only. I've only gotten away from it some because of the lack of gear on the source end (I mean instruments).
I can't tell you how good it's been to have nice gear to track guitars and bass with so having nice gear to track drums with is next (when I say gear, I mean instruments haha).
