Arch said:
Don't cover the book with a cover you don't want to be judged by.
Make the cover reflect the content, not a need to pretend.
Does "anyone" like Reroute?
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Don't cover the book with a cover you don't want to be judged by.
Make the cover reflect the content, not a need to pretend.
rahvin
keeper of the flame
don't you think there's a difference between pretending and joking? there's also a limit to the number of inferences one can make from a 100x100 pixel image, with the possible exception of mine, which really gives people the idea that i've been spending most of the past 5 days being sunburnt all over. 
Arch said:
Ozzy entertains, the musicians behind him are what fuels him. Ozzy has always had guitar wizards in his ranks, and his music would suck without the technical wizardry behind it to make it great, music so great in fact that Randy Rhoads started all 80's shred, basically.
I just find these people hilarious who take themselves so seriously, like our friend the ball handler here, who don't even have enough self discipline to become serious musicians. Again, if you're in music, be a musician. If you want to be a personality, David Lee Roth, Pete Townsend, Marylin Manson, Trent Reznor...go into acting.
Why is a sound education important, and why are their opinions on world problems not valid? My opinion on music is much less important than world hunger, and you need a bit more proof to back you up on such an important issue as politics. Far more intelligent people than celebrities have tried to solve the world's problems, and they can't. What gets me about this whole Bono issue is the foolish optimism of it all. Long after this generation is dead, tomorrow's powerholders (more than likely, today's underdogs) will be perpetuating the cycle of violence in retribution for today's atrocities.
All of these people act like they're new and different, saving the world, that THIS time it will be different.
It just isn't so, and in 50 years, they'll be just as outdated, as conservative, and as irrelevant as any bygone ideology.
You can say why do I seem to take myself so seriously if I think people who take themselves seriously are overly foolish...I make claims about what I think I know...which is my university study and music. I make no claims about cars, computers, fashion, movies etc. etc., because I don't know enough about them. But in these areas, I am very confident, and I am critical of people who take themselves overly seriously just because they're a personality (Marylin Manson, or Brian Warner) as opposed to being confident because they've discovered truth through hard work.
More specifically, if Rage thinks they're so right, and revolution is the answer, what after the revolution? Who gets power? How should it be wielded? How do you maintain a minority group status and yet also assure majority rule?
Particularly, aside from a grandiose general slogan, how do you make revolution work? What's the biggest problem in the world? Income distribution, which can be broken down into healthcare, food, etc etc. How do you maintain equal income distribution, and yet not stagnate the economy like in the U.S.S.R.? How do you assure a good livelihood and basic services (food, healthcare, insurance) and yet not bloat the system and keep in a shred of private initiative for companies to want to better their services?
The world's greatest minds don't know, so some stupid rockband doesn't know the answer. A rockband that, for all its anger toward the world situation, is rather pussy, commercial (especially Audioslave), and not even that heavy. They'd get their asses smeared in a club in Scandanavia or Germany, for sure.
rahvin said:don't you think there's a difference between pretending and joking? there's also a limit to the number of inferences one can make from a 100x100 pixel image, with the possible exception of mine, which really gives people the idea that i've been spending most of the past 5 days being sunburnt all over.
Merci to Rahvin and Tebus for saying interesting, and occasionally funny, things and for being fair throughout this stupid process. The Death forum is much friendlier.
Ballboy makes kneejerk assumptions, therefore I will make kneejerk assumptions from 100x100 icons.
The dude has nothing to back himself up with, and he's as unoriginal as he is self-biased and incorrect.
Inflames626 said:
What are you saying? Do you judge people by their avatars? Someone who drives a Rolls Royce is really rich? You problem is, you are too superficial. You nitpick little things no one would ever care about. You are no different than some Beverly Hills bitch who worry to death about a little pimple on their forehead.
Who ever said the cover must reflect the content? Did The Beatles' "White Album" or Metallica's "Black Album" show anything about their music inside? Oh, going by your logic, you have no avatar, that means are you are NOTHING.
Dark_Jester
Unrepentant sentient
This whole book cover thing is just getting my satire bone all itchy...urge to scratch...rising...must...resist...urge to use...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! Inflames626 do you ever understand WHAT a parody is? Or satire? Maybe even irony? Next you'll be declaring that I'm a wannabe japanese otaku who sits around in darkened rooms watching henati, JUST because I happen to use a manga style image on mine. Don't take it all too seriously. And don't make offensive remarks about other people as part of an arguement, it just makes you seem like you're badly losing.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! Inflames626 do you ever understand WHAT a parody is? Or satire? Maybe even irony? Next you'll be declaring that I'm a wannabe japanese otaku who sits around in darkened rooms watching henati, JUST because I happen to use a manga style image on mine. Don't take it all too seriously. And don't make offensive remarks about other people as part of an arguement, it just makes you seem like you're badly losing.
Ozzy's a entertainer and also a musician. He may not do the shredding, but he work with his musicians to compose melodies when he went solo. Iommi, Ward, and Butler kept him out of most of the music during the Sabbath days.Inflames626 said:
Those "personalities" you mentioned. They write and perform music. That's great. They make money and people buy their albums and go to their concerts. Why can't you be happy for them? Are you jealous?
Do you expect RATM or Bono to change the world over night? The world is a very big and complicated place. Can't musicians dream of peace and justice for the world? Yes, mostly everyone can agree with you that there is no simple solution for the problems in the world. I only hear you complain about it. RATM, Bono, and other celebrities lend their names and money to help solve some the world's problem. Did Bono solved a world crisis? Certainly not. But perhaps with his help, he probably gave a homeless child a chance.
Believe me, I have done a lot of volunteer work through the years and help the people in and around my community. It would be a great help if you stop complaining about celebrities doing good social work and help serve hot food to homeless people. Thanks.
/Arch
Dark_Jester
Unrepentant sentient
Oh...and by the way, I have nothing against japanese wannabe otaku sitting in dark rooms watching hentai
Arch said:
No.
I'm saying make the cover more representative of what truly is, not to make a deliberately ambiguous statement in an attempt to be "deep" and then bitch if no one understands you. I think a lot of bands in the 80's got into this problem: "We're not Satanists, really. We're just interested in witchcraft!" If you don't want the mantle, don't wear it.
The black album was black in that it represented a lack of new ideas for Metallica in the heavy realm of 1991 metal and so it was very utilitarian in its approach but was also very seriously produced and caringly made, IF you infer black to mean serious but also rather plain.
In sum: if you don't want to catch shit about a stupid avatar, then don't have a stupid avatar.
I don't have an avatar at all because I find them highly unnecessary, in any chatroom.
Arch said:
EVERYONE complains about the world, metal especially. To quote Death, "There will be zero tolerance..." Slayer's writings are mostly based on the misuse of clergy for political ends, cheesy shock rock lyrics aside. Metallica was primarily concerned in the early days with unjust war practices, especially on Puppets and Lightning. Yet they didn't go out like Rage and presume to solve any problem BUT be musicians. The songs emptied out a need to vent, but to assume you can solve all the world's ills because you run a stupid little rock band...
Metal is about the negative aspects of life, and from Priest to Pro-Pain, is largely complaining put to music.
Who says Bono has saved anyone? In the end, he'll go back on tour, make millions, and then make another appearance or two. Let's see them STOP being entertainers and become full time philanthropists, like Mother Teresa. No one has the balls to do that, because they're not THAT serious about helping the world.
Rage hasn't helped anyone. Lets see them move to Mexico, become citizens, run for office, fix the drug money problem, and put a Third World developing country on the right track.
I'm not jealous of them. Because they won't, can't, and aren't changing the world. And Bono getting the recommendation for that Peace Prize pisses me off. He got consideration because he's 75% Bono and 25% philanthropist. I don't see anyone giving 100% philanthropists any prize.
He should go back to making 80'sish pop music and stay out of things he knows nothing about.
Same thing with Sean Penn going to Iraq.
Dark_Jester said:
I made remarks regarding people's avatars because those people resented me for posting IF comments in a DT forum, and also remarking that, despite my love for DT, they weren't really doing anything new.
If you don't want me to declare those things about you due to your avatar: 1) don't provoke me into an argument, 2) don't use that avatar in the first place, and 3) don't make foolish remarks about your "tr00" self when you're really just some dude who looks like he's taking a shit for the camera.
I fail to see why I should take that fellow seriously. I don't care if he's making a parody, it might have been funny, had he not taken on an asshole persona.
The point is, Arch and ball fondler started it, in MY thread, and I will protect myself. If it bothers you to come to my forum, you can kindly get the fuck out.
As it is, I've seen little reasoning here to reconsider my arguments, save what would be a shouting match and possibly some people getting hurt.
Arch has not proven why Rage thinks it's so high and mighty when I've proven that they don't have answers, and neither has he proven why Bono gets so much attention when he doesn't do one one thousandth of UN and Red Crescent and Red Cross workers out there daily getting shot at to REALLY feed a starving kid.
Give me facts, figures, information. Not opinions. Answer my arguments, or don't argue. Why do I have the balls to say such things? MY thread.
Arch said:
As a last reply to Arch regarding the musical aspect...
I'm hardly jealous. But Django Reinhardt and Al DiMeola are considered two of the world's greatest guitarists, and needed no "personality" to do it. Rush is one of the greatest bands around, and needed nothing to prove their worth save their skills. While I was at GIT in 99-00, Tommy Tedesco, the famous session guitarist, was still spoken about by faculty and students alike ten years after his dead.
I can't be happy for the personalities because some people achieve just as much success as they do *without* the personality, proving that the personality is unnecessary to achieve success.
I look at the need to cultivate personality, past a certain point, as a weakness because others don't need to cultivate one. Therefore, they have my disrespect.
Speaking of Ozzy, he hasn't done jack since the 80's. Remember Zack Wylde bitching about "Down to Earth" pissing him off because Dave Grohl wrote some songs?
Ozzy is a personality propped up by other musicians, while others, specifically all members of Dream Theater, require no such "propping". And while they may not make near the money that Ozzy does, they're more respected by fellow musicians, something I would rather have than money or recognition, a view which is shared by a few others, notably Jeff Waters of Annihilator, who turned down guitar duties in Megadeth in 2001 to do his own thing *his* way, and not to become Mustaine's backing man.
I don't like "personalities"...it's a bit like playing pretend or house. It's melodramatic and a bit pathetic for grown men to do just because they don't have the musical ability to back up their advertising talent.
You'd really be surprised to see how, among working musicians, guys you've never heard of who work for film and soundtrack and bands, how unnecessary the personality is. They're so serious, and so well-rounded, it's intimidating, and you feel cheesy and really adolescent when you walk in wearing a metal shirt like some kid still reading comic books at 25...there isn't a need to "parody", or make a statement, or a point with such grandiose stupid antics...you just put your money where your mouth is and make it with your talent.
I began to feel immature regarding some of metal's antics when I saw the maturity and relaxed nature of jazz and fusion guitarists. From that point, I just became Aaron, a normal guy who happened to play metal. I'd feel dumb taking myself so seriously. If you don't take yourself so seriously, why parody and act like you do, and then bitch when someone says you take yourself too seriously?
rahvin said:
Nah, he's american, he wants the cover to tell you everything you can
find inside and nothing else, no surprises, no diversion from the norm.
Kinda like americans make music and movies and everything else too,
a neat package, meant for the simple tv-zombies whose only function
is to sit and consume the crap the media companies throw at them,
no original thoughts allowed.
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wildfyr
unus spiritus est
Salamurhaaja said:
Dude, if you dont get off the American stuff, I'm going to come back at your ass with so much fucking history and political science that you will have NO ROOM to make such assumptions.
People are people, regardless of nationality. As an American, I am no better than anyone else. But I will not have a person making generalizations about life here when it was Europe that brought all of its old problems here in the first place. Our problems here existed first in Europe, and I won't have some holier than thou Social Democrat who couldn't even defend his country for 50 years from Soviet aggression without the US nuclear umbrella attempt to tell me my attention span.
Fuck off, you twit. Your avatar, attitude, behavior makes you even more "normal", more stereotypical, than anyone I've ever come across. Now, only to find out whether you're French or German, as Britishers wouldnt never claim to be "European". I've met tons of Scandanavians, and they're all so smart and such nice people (excellent public education system in Sweden), that no Scandanavian would dare make such a stupid remark. Regarding attention span, go to the BNR Metal Pages, and you will see that there are more American metal bands than every other place in the world COMBINED. The shit you feast on in style is the stuff we cast off.
Throw EVERYTHING you can at me, one post, gag me on it, give me every criticism you can think of, and back it up with FACTS AND EVIDENCE, not your opinion.
I will refute you point by point. I'm daring you, I'm calling you out, and I'm ending this now. I've argued for 3 days in this forum when I'd much rather be having fun. It ends now.
You are so fucking hilarious Get of your high and mighty, intellectual horse and see
the shit you are spitting out, ok
There is no need for facts or evidence when we are
talking about oppinion and besides, if you want others
to provide them, where is yours?
I think I let you starve now tho, you make absolute
no sense, you contradict yourself in every second
sentence, it's really funny actually.
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Salamurhaaja said:
Get of your high and mighty, intellectual horse and see
the shit you are spitting out, ok
There is no need for facts or evidence when we are
talking about oppinion and besides, if you want others
to provide them, where is yours?
I think I let you starve now tho, you make absolute
no sense, you contradict yourself in every second
sentence, it's really funny actually.
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1) What makes it "shit"?
2) There is justification for opinion.
3) I've been supplying justification the entire thread.
4) If there were any contradictions, they were in manners of degree. ONLY you and robodude are the assholes in this thread, and I've already stuffed him regarding RATM.
You're next. Or are you giving up?
oh I give up, I humble before your superior intellect,
please forgive me for being an ass, I can't live with
this guilt.
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please forgive me for being an ass, I can't live with
this guilt.
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Salamurhaaja said:
Thanks for getting lost.
All refuges from the forum may now return! Hitler has been crushed by Stalin.
