Salamurhaaja said:
Cool, you can try if you like, but don't you think you should maybe
first know where I am from?
I will give you some hints in this post, since I now have a bit more
time to answer all your point(lessness).
Yes, surely, going to illegal wars and having very loose guns laws,
shitty social security, laws to protect the rich and morons in the
lead for year has nothing to do with your problems.
When America got it's independence, it's problems became it's
problems, blaming europe for them is pretty stupid, if you think
it's europes fault you country sucks, maybe you should give the
rule back to England.
And I can make the generalizations very easily, I have spend enough
time there to know, can you say the same of europe?
Now then, what do you know of my political beliefs? I don't hail to
any party. As for what comes to defending my country, I have done
my duty in the army service, have you?
What more of defending my country, I can say with certainty that
I have relatives who have killed more russians, alone, than your whole
country, so don't come talk to me about, your country defending
anyone, your country didn't do anything to that end.
What a coincidence, so have I and you are quite right, they are nice
and smart people, unlike the tons of arrogant, holier than thou,
Americans, like you, I have met.
hahah, oh yeah, I forgot that black metal has it's roots in America,
hell, even death metal is more known from the scandinavian bands.
There hasn't been an original band from America in ages, their metal
scene has been stagnant for years.
I'm sorry, but this is a forum, not a court of law, we don't need
facts or evidence here, opinions are enough.
And I still haven't seen any evidence or facts from you, only
opinions and not even too well formed ones at that.
Haha, "It ends now." you sound like this president, who launched
a war he cannot win, claiming it was somehow justified by god,
you have shown us pretty much the same amount of evidence too.
Well, feed on that for a while.
Oh, god with a lower case G. You have all the answers eh? You're so angry big man, so against the grain, so...oh, you've seen the light, you prophet of wisdom.
Whether this is a court of law or not, it is a debate, you must justify arguments.
I'm guessing Finland, maybe an allusion to the Winter War, or perhaps Poland.
Whilst discussing Europe, lets discuss Germany's hatred of Turks and immigrants, as well as its tendency to start at least one world war, Italy's inability to form a long term government, France's desire to be a world power but inability to responsibly handle arms sales and foreign influence, especially in the form of nuclear proliferation under de Gaulle and weapon sales to Ruwanda, Britain's inability to simply give ALL of Ireland back to the Irish, Spain's, Portugal and Greece's lack of a concept of a democracy until the 1970s, eastern Europe and Yugoslavia's inability to handle ethnic conflict, and Russia's constant inferiority with the West.
England IS Europe to America, therefore giving it back to Europe is pointless. Britain can't even handle giving the Commonwealth true independence, nor can it handle labor unions and rife, cylical unemployment and a poor healthcare system that uses thirty year old technology. And, even though America has its own problems, these are just as common as Europe's: Germany's resentment of Turks, the persecution of Hungarian minorities throughout the former Hapsburg Empire, Catholic vs. Protestant issues (Thirty Years War), the Greece/Turkey Cypress issue, France's strong Berber minority (which they also can't stand) and, despite the push for EU unity, everyone is, in fact, still very wary of Germany's ever strong economy.
The war was legal, and approved by Congress. Other "illegal" wars include Britain's invasion in the Sinai in 1957, and Russia's tendency to invade poor, defenseless countries like Hungary, Poland, and Czechoslovakia (although Poland was a threat in 81, and Czechlslovakia refers to the Prague Spring of 1968).
I cannot enter the military because I am disabled and manage to meet my needs on a social security system that, while not the best, I am thankful for because it doesn't inflate 200% a year due to massive printing of currency to keep up with government transfer payment debt.
The American navy, specifically in the role of nuclear submarines, has protected Europe for years from Soviet military intervention. MAD saved Europe from a Stalinist Empire, a MAD perpetuated by American nuclear power that defended Western Europe.
And I'm betting that time was used in the service with American weapons, tactics, intelligence and trainers. Unless you're a Warsaw Pact nation, in which case you were, effectively, an occupied country.
Gun laws are a basic right of Americans. The idea is to have the capacity to overthrow an oppressive government. A gun is the only way to do this, if force is needed.
Social security? We spend so much on national defense defending the Commonwealth and Europe that we have no money to spend without going into debt.
America is a capitalist nation, unlike Europe's socialism that doesn't work, and does not favor high tax, heavy debt, inefficient government meddling in private affairs. Americans prefer to spend their income the way they choose, which guarantees the best healthcare industry in the world due to personal initiative and high profit margins guaranteed to companies, something Europe cannot match with strapped budgets that lead to ineffective militaries, environmental degradation, and urban slums.
You won't even tell me where you're from, let alone your name, your experience in America, or what makes you think some shitty ass country the size of 3 states that depends on America and NAFTA trade makes a difference? I can't argue when you hide behind a veil of anonymity and a stupid icon.
Again, I refute you.
Don't give me a damned lecturing when America has only suffered four wars since independence on its own soil: The Revolution, The War of 1812, The Mexican War, and The Civil War. Europe has had more wars than that in the past 50 years, either declared or undeclared, than America will ever have upon its own soil because the continent cannot get its shit together with all its ethnic minorities, minorities that, comparatively, coexist far more peacefully here.
Just because your Parliament did not support the war doesn't mean a damn about whether it's valid. Although I was against this war, I'm against this fuck you anti-Americanism, and it would be very interesting to see you speaking German or Russian, had America, and especially Britain, not intervened on behalf of ungrateful nations.
Let's see you...do what North America does. Let's see you...solve the world's problems. Let's see you even win this argument.
And death metal started in either Florida or Britain, take your pick. Scandanavia was heavily influenced by Britain and the States and was still rocking out to Abba when death metal was being created.
You've still yet to prove shit to me.
Groundless assumptions, and yet I've come back with evidence time after time.
Give up!
