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sknight said:This thread is useless now.
I'm sure anything said from this point on about 8VM hasn't been covered already.
yeah, someone should delete this entire thread.
sknight said:This thread is useless now.
I'm sure anything said from this point on about 8VM hasn't been covered already.
buchkoba00 said:What I said was basically directed at the guy who keeps saying this record isn't "progressive" enough, and that the Orchestra was underused.
Those are expectations, those are stupid. Having an idea of your head of how a band should use an orchestra or how "PROG" they should be totally gets in the way of the actual music you're being presented with.
Well, that I find hard to believe. What exactly is truely progressive in this genre anymore? SymX? Pagan's Mind? Shadow Gallery? Hardly.
Now don't misunderstand, I'm not knocking these bands at all, but some people actually claim any of the above are more musically progressive than other prog metal bands, THAT is comical.
Emanuele said:They did not play Sacrificed Sons and the title track in the previous Italian concert too. I think that they want the orchestra to play them. I read on the Italian Rock Hard magazine that they want to film while playing the two songs with the orcherstra, in order to put it in a next live DVD.
Barking Pumpkin said:No, that's not what I'm calling progressive. Just to lay down a few bands I would call progressive (not "prog" note, but progressive):
Ulver
Solefald
Arcturus
John Zorn
Pain Of Salvation
Devin Townsend
Spastic Ink
Subterranean Masquerade
Scholomance
That's real progressive music, just in case you thought I meant I wanted Dream Theater to sound like Symphony X or something, not that I don't enjoy Symphony X.
Progbass said:IMO, thesedays it's very hard to define what's progressive or not, so you shouldn't just go and say "That's real progressive music" since there's kind of power and technical metal too in your list, some of them might not be any more real progressive than DT.
TheWhisper said:Progressive is a term, nowdays, that describes a genre...get over it. Everything needs a lable these days, proven by this thread of what is or isn't progressive, and the genre of music that bands like DT, and others, fall into is the prog-metal genre.
I've seen this same kinda discussion on prog-rock boards, by those up-tight snobs. Spock's, or Marillion, or IQ, aren't progressive because they're not doing anything new blah, blah fuckin' blah. If you like something listen to it...if you don't great. Who cares what what you call 'it'.
Now, the real burning question is - what differentiates 'Hair Metal' from 'Glam Metal'? Discuss.
TheWhisper said:Progressive is a term, nowdays, that describes a genre...get over it. Everything needs a lable these days, proven by this thread of what is or isn't progressive, and the genre of music that bands like DT, and others, fall into is the prog-metal genre.
I've seen this same kinda discussion on prog-rock boards, by those up-tight snobs. Spock's, or Marillion, or IQ, aren't progressive because they're not doing anything new blah, blah fuckin' blah. If you like something listen to it...if you don't great. Who cares what what you call 'it'.
Liquid Tension said:What does John Zorn sound like and if there are multinple discs available which is the best to start with?
Thanks....
the band said things like not to expect more ToT-like material, and to expect something new and therefore progressive.
arglebargle said:*sigh* Jesus Christ I'm getting sick of this argument.
Bands like DT progress structurally and stylistically within each song. Bands like Arcturus progress stylistically from album to album.
Both are progressive, in different ways.
Well, 'prog' is just progressive shortened...like S:X is just Symphony X shortened.Barking Pumpkin said:I've mentioned this. Yes, prog-metal is a genre. The most obvious bands in this genre are Dream Theater, and the many Dream Theater clones, just check many of the "prog" bands that have performed at Prog-Power to see this.
However, progressive music does not equate to "prog" or "prog-metal." It means exactly what it says.
That was a rhetorical question meant to bring levity to a subject that people get too emotional and serious about. But you didin't answer the question. You're talking about 70's glam rock, I asked the difference between Glam Metal & Hair Metal.dargormudshark said:Hair is 80's metal in which the hair was teased up...Glam was 70's rock with an asexual look and sung very androgenously.