Dream Theater - Octavarium

the album is ok not in the same league as images and awake>,train of thought is better not much but better, and much better the 4 degrees altought i don't anything can they do could be worse then 4 degrees<

bottom line i think except the title album which is pretty boring
the album is ok altought i hear to much muse blaaaah...
 
adam123 said:
the album is ok not in the same league as images and awake>,train of thought is better not much but better, and much better the 4 degrees altought i don't anything can they do could be worse then 4 degrees<

bottom line i think except the title album which is pretty boring
the album is ok altought i hear to much muse blaaaah...

4 degrees?

If you mean 6 degrees? I think that album blows away tot and octavarium combined. It's got some good songs such as The Great Debate, Disappear, Misunderstood
 
bball_1523 said:
4 degrees?

If you mean 6 degrees? I think that album blows away tot and octavarium combined. It's got some good songs such as The Great Debate, Disappear, Misunderstood

Dissapear os one of my fave DT songs and I still like The Glass Prison and The Great Debate; but contrary to other people I thought the title track sucked ass (except for War Inside my Head...it's catchy)
 
Well......you can actually see the falling apart start as far back as Scenes From A Memory.....but it gets more apparent on 6 Degrees.......I quite like the title track.....and some of the first disc is good, but there's a lot of bland generic stuff in there also.
 
dargormudshark said:
Dissapear os one of my fave DT songs and I still like The Glass Prison and The Great Debate; but contrary to other people I thought the title track sucked ass (except for War Inside my Head...it's catchy)

yeah I don't really enjoy the title track either, maybe a few bits here and there, but it doesn't really capture me.

Barking, what do you mean as bland generic stuff?
 
Well....there are several issues with the album. A bunch are more personal preference...but they're there for me.

First of all....I hate John Petrucci's guitar tone. I think this is production rather than his guitar having bad sound. That's the other thing....muddy production also. The Glass Prison was my first Dream Theater song.....and it used to give me a headache from listening to it. On the first disc, the vocals are shit on The Glass Prison and The Great Debate. Pure shit. Another example of how they put James LaBrie in bad positions for his voice. And that's half the first disc right there. I get bored of The Glass Prison......a while after the arpeggio solo. I don't really ever make it through the whole song.

I do quite enjoy the second disc and some of the first disc though.
 
i was at work while writing the post explaining to some idiot how to spell his username :)
anyway imho i think 6 degrees is so boring i hear it i wanna sleep...

and train of thought was a nice twist and Octavarium was well as i said ok
 
They did not play Sacrificed Sons and the title track in the previous Italian concert too. I think that they want the orchestra to play them. I read on the Italian Rock Hard magazine that they want to film while playing the two songs with the orcherstra, in order to put it in a next live DVD.
 
What a laugh. The orchestra on Octavarium is such a gimmick, it sounds like it was played on the synth keyboard, and they could do that live and it would sound exactly the same. Get rid of the fucking ego. Pain Of Salvation actually uses an orchestra, you don't, so just sample it like every other band that doesn't really use an orchestra.
 
Barking Pumpkin said:
What a laugh. The orchestra on Octavarium is such a gimmick, it sounds like it was played on the synth keyboard, and they could do that live and it would sound exactly the same. Get rid of the fucking ego. Pain Of Salvation actually uses an orchestra, you don't, so just sample it like every other band that doesn't really use an orchestra.

they played Sacrificed Sons at the Arrow Rock Festival..
 
Okay....should have looked into that further.....although the orchestration is still stupid.

So far I have two bootlegs from this Dream Theater tour.....one from Arrow Rock Fest and one from Norje, Sweden.
 
Barking Pumpkin said:
I was watching some of the Live At Budokan and listening to some of the ToT songs, and to kind of sum it up, when Dream Theater tries to be "metal," it sounds basically like a compilation of every silly cliche in the "metal book," and that's not being progressive at all.

Please stop using the word progressive, thanks.

Barking Pumpkin said:
What a laugh. The orchestra on Octavarium is such a gimmick, it sounds like it was played on the synth keyboard, and they could do that live and it would sound exactly the same. Get rid of the fucking ego. Pain Of Salvation actually uses an orchestra, you don't, so just sample it like every other band that doesn't really use an orchestra.

Who said they are playing with an "ORCHESTRA!"?

There are a few strings on this album, nothing more. What were you expecting a DT version of Kayman & Metallica?

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Dream Theater really needed to stop waking and get back to writing actual songs again, and that's just what they did with this album. I don't really like Never Enough, and the lyrics to Sacrified Sons are pretty painful. But I'm really digging everything else.

Panic Attack absolutely smokes.
Jordan finally took a damn vallium and has my favorite solo of his, the Genesis style solo in Octovarium.

For people who keep saying how they miss the early stuff, I just don't see how this is THAT different from what they used to do that was soo amazing (apparently Another Day and Caught in a Web were masterpieces???).
This album certainly isn't going to change the world, but this isn't 20 years ago, DT aren't going to be revolutionary any more.

Although, if you use terms like "not progressive enough" then you need to reevaluate why you listen to music.

Some of you need to realize having expectations or "what you want it to sound like" is a bad thing when listening to new music.