Dream Theater - Octavarium

[bball_1523]

Really? I wasn't aware that a band (as one entity) could get a terminal illness.





LMAO!



You forgot to add that DT can still play their instruments.

Metallica can still play their instruments, they have solos in their load/reload days. Just because st. anger didn't have any solos and that their solos or compositions aren't the shred type doesn't mean they can't play anymore. They even play their old stuff life.

I don't think DT has headed metallica's direction. I like 6doit, but Tot and octavarium hasn't dont it for me yet. They still haven't headed into Metallica's direction, and I don't think they ever will.

 

[control-denied777]

i think people(some people actually) dont like this album ,because it doesnt have any hit songs on it like(as i am)

 

[keila]

What do you call a "hit song"?

 

[DoktorShred]

You can think that as much as you want, but the fact remains that in Octavarium there are x violins all playing the same melody, while in 'BE' much more effective orchestration is used. This means there's harmony, counterpoint, etc. Which are all traditional classical values. That's what makes it great. The violins are so simple in Octavarium.....they just are.

Again the use of the strings is another point with what I was mentioning about them doing things and sounding like a compilation of all the cliche things in whatever genre.....well, that's it. Just adding strings because youv'e got money and want to sound "epic," and then not using them like you're supposed to, or.....how you use them to make them sound the best they can be.

Oh Noes homophony!!!11one

Makes it sound like film music, and makes it sound uncluttered, and the stregnth of the melody shines through. The orchestra echoing the line 'as my conscious slips away' at the very end of the song sounds so amazing, and it really hammers home that the character is slipping back into the catatonic state, coming full circle. If there was shit arpeggiating all over the place it just would NOT have the same impact, at all.

Rudess in particular would definatly have the ability to create a classical orchestration, but chooses not to.

EDIT: also, the orchestra is supposed to be an auxilary instrument. I wouldn't be too impressed if DT used it all over the shop and then couldn't create a similar atmosphere live.

 

[the_satanic_rabbit]

Sorry to bring up Metallica in the first place, I didn't mean that they were going in the same direction musically. I just think with the last couple albums it seems so half-assed. It seems like they are trying to be in with nu-metal somehow. I just don't like it. May be a new sound for them, but to me it's just unoriginal and boring.

Oh well, everyone has different tastes. I still look forward to seeing them on Gigantour.

 

[David_Theater]

For my best it is Panic Attack with difference!!! Here the trilogy of the prisoner is completed and we are before one of the best discs of the band. A Greeting!

 

[David_Theater]

Certainly, it makes me happy of that Petrucci has stopped crossing scales so rapidly, in the Train of Thought it seemed that he had lost all his feeling, but, on having listened Suspended Animation it turned the Petrucci so melodic that was before and that I like so much. Since I am I appear am David_Theater and am Spanish it makes me happy to be between you to converse on one of the best bands of the world since it is Symphony X.
Excuse if you me do not deal with any things since my English is not perfect.
A greeting to all!

 

[v01c354nd51gn5]

no ... seriously ... is that really john myung?

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

Certainly, it makes me happy of that Petrucci has stopped crossing scales so rapidly, in the Train of Thought it seemed that he had lost all his feeling, but, on having listened Suspended Animation it turned the Petrucci so melodic that was before and that I like so much. Since I am I appear am David_Theater and am Spanish it makes me happy to be between you to converse on one of the best bands of the world since it is Symphony X.
Excuse if you me do not deal with any things since my English is not perfect.
A greeting to all!

Whatever you think about Suspended Animation, you have to remember it was written about four years ago, so it really doesn't reflect on his current style.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

Oh Noes homophony!!!11one

Makes it sound like film music, and makes it sound uncluttered, and the stregnth of the melody shines through. The orchestra echoing the line 'as my conscious slips away' at the very end of the song sounds so amazing, and it really hammers home that the character is slipping back into the catatonic state, coming full circle. If there was shit arpeggiating all over the place it just would NOT have the same impact, at all.

Rudess in particular would definatly have the ability to create a classical orchestration, but chooses not to.

EDIT: also, the orchestra is supposed to be an auxilary instrument. I wouldn't be too impressed if DT used it all over the shop and then couldn't create a similar atmosphere live.

I watched Spiderman last night, and it had more complex Orchestration than Octavarium.

On another note, has anyone noticed that the key signatures inside the booklet don't really correspond with the FGABCDF thing on the back?

 

[DoktorShred]

I watched Spiderman last night, and it had more complex Orchestration than Octavarium.

On another note, has anyone noticed that the key signatures inside the booklet don't really correspond with the FGABCDF thing on the back?

They do if you consider the relative majors and minors, which is infact more correct, beacuse instead of being the minor of major of the key displayed, the home key uses the correct flats/sharps that are displayed.

 

[dargormudshark]

I finally saw the booklet for this album and it looks like a Rush insert. AND WHO THE FUCK IS THAT ASIAN CHICK????

 

[sknight]

Decent album, no magic of I&W, Awake, ACoS, and SDoIT. Even Vacant to the end of ToT has more, but it's an ok album. I stopped listening to it anyway, most especially since I picked up albums from Cynic and Death's The Sound of Perseverence.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

They do if you consider the relative majors and minors, which is infact more correct, beacuse instead of being the minor of major of the key displayed, the home key uses the correct flats/sharps that are displayed.

Aha! I don't know why I wasn't thinking about that before. *smacks head*

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

I finally saw the booklet for this album and it looks like a Rush insert. AND WHO THE FUCK IS THAT ASIAN CHICK????

I'm seriously thinking it's John Myung. No one else thinks it's him?

They've probably got answers at the Dream Theater board, if you can stand the sheep.

 

[DoktorShred]

Aha! I don't know why I wasn't thinking about that before. *smacks head*

Because the first thing on your mind was: "Whats another way I can bash DT"?

 

[dargormudshark]

Just thought I would tell anyone who is on the Outworld boards to not bash DT. I did alot of bashing over there and now Rusty is pissed at me so just thought I would share that info with any of you guys who want to know

 

[bball_1523]

so far I can't really get into Octavarium yet. I like the title track, it has it's moments, but the rest of the album is hard for me to listen to. That song "These Walls" sounds like a linkin park song with DT added to it. I used to be a fan of Linkin Park so that's why it reminds me of their songs. Panic Attack had one part that I liked, and it was that choir part in the beginning of the song. I'm probably gonna give it a few more listens to really make a conclusion.

I still like DT, it's just this album is kinda mediocre to me so far.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

Because the first thing on your mind was: "Whats another way I can bash DT"?

Probably so.

 

[v01c354nd51gn5]

I watched Spiderman last night, and it had more complex Orchestration than Octavarium.

now that is a good comparison right there. heh,