Fortin Natas - MEATAL!!

[Ermz]

FWIW the raws sound like they have a fair bit of the cone (off-center) character compared to most raws I have lying around here, but it really works IMO. In my past experiences that's the way to go with these speakers anyway. Either off center with a single mic, or dual mics that are off-axis/off-center. Very very little fizz in the raws - it's all tone.

Thanks to Ola, I'll be mixing this track next week to get a good feel for how 'record-worthy' the tone is, though I have very high hopes and am really excited to try.

 

[::XeS::]

It seems not too much off dust cup....it's like I usually mic them.
My idea......couldn't be that that old marshall cab has a good sound because its 75t's are "old"? Maybe using those speaker for years....... because my impression when I mic them is that they seem so heavy and that they don't move very easily (my cab was not used too much)

 

[BrettT]

because my impression when I mic them is that they seem so heavy and that they don't move very easily (my cab was not used too much)

Could this be because of the higher wattage?

 

[::XeS::]

Yes another reason

 

[TheDude]

can't really judge an amp from a single clip, from what I hear this amp seems to be killer.
I'm way more impressed with Jocke's t75 micing skills though...my attempts usually sound somewhat hollow and fizzy...just lacking the punch and"urgency" a v30 has.
Jocke, care to tell me a bit about t75 micing? your favorite mics, positions etc?

Thanks Lasse! Well, I hate the SM57 with all my heart, so I use whatever Condenser mics I have in front of me. Then I put my in-ears on, add a "construction site" ear protecting things, so I get around 55db's of attenuation. Then it's all about moving the bastard, know the headphones, and stop when it might sound good.

This particular cab has been around since 1986, and 80% of everything played on it has been palm mutes. I've never heard a smoother sounding Marshall. Somewhere in the dustcap meets cone area, but the ting about T75's is that if you sneeze, the sound is totally different, so I guess I was lucky/didn't care/awesomely skilled.

FWIW the raws sound like they have a fair bit of the cone (off-center) character compared to most raws I have lying around here, but it really works IMO. In my past experiences that's the way to go with these speakers anyway. Either off center with a single mic, or dual mics that are off-axis/off-center. Very very little fizz in the raws - it's all tone.

Cheers to that!

 

[lolzgreg]

Jocke, tell us about that mic you used for the clip. I can't seem to find them anywhere for purchase

Thanks.

 

[Donovan S.]

Well the high mids, isn't a default setting you know, and also a mic placement change might change the character a lot. What you CAN hear is how it react to his playing and how fat his palm mutes are. Without anything solid state in the picture.

Oh yeah, we tweaked the amp settings for at least three minutes before we hit record.

Therefore, you're not having a problem with the amp, but rather the mic position and the G12 T75 speaker.

I'm just glad that me and Ola created a storm that took less than 30 minutes to set up.

Yeah, I would like to hear more clips for sure.

 

[Ola Englund]

a bird just told me that Jocke bought one?

 

[::XeS::]

Jocke, tell us about that mic you used for the clip. I can't seem to find them anywhere for purchase

Thanks.

Condenser mic

 

[TheDude]

a bird just told me that Jocke bought one?

Hold ya horses, young lad! First things first: money.

 

[Lasse Lammert]

Thanks Lasse! Well, I hate the SM57 with all my heart, so I use whatever Condenser mics I have in front of me. Then I put my in-ears on, add a "construction site" ear protecting things, so I get around 55db's of attenuation. Then it's all about moving the bastard, know the headphones, and stop when it might sound good.

This particular cab has been around since 1986, and 80% of everything played on it has been palm mutes. I've never heard a smoother sounding Marshall. Somewhere in the dustcap meets cone area, but the ting about T75's is that if you sneeze, the sound is totally different, so I guess I was lucky/didn't care/awesomely skilled.



Cheers to that!

thanks.

yeah, I'm doing it in a similar fashion, just am I having trouble getting great modern tones as you do...my t75 tones always end up sounding old school death metal (corpse etc)...and I do like the cab for that but I'd like to get modern tones as well.
I've tried the c414XLII again the other day but it just had way too much low freq buildup...the km184 works rather well but I don't wanna strap that in front of the cab all the time.

so my favs for t75 atm are m201, at250de, m160, sm57.

I also should probably caulk my marshall cab, it's just way too boomy (even in the room).
or I should just experiment a bit with the t75 in the Bogner cab, but that cab is so heavy and doesn't have casters, so I don't feel like hauling it into the booth that often

anyways, thanks for the tips, I'll keep trying.
btw, do you also feel that with a t75 you have to use less gain from the amp?

 

[TheDude]

thanks.

yeah, I'm doing it in a similar fashion, just am I having trouble getting great modern tones as you do...my t75 tones always end up sounding old school death metal (corpse etc)...and I do like the cab for that but I'd like to get modern tones as well.
I've tried the c414XLII again the other day but it just had way too much low freq buildup...the km184 works rather well but I don't wanna strap that in front of the cab all the time.

so my favs for t75 atm are m201, at250de, m160, sm57.

I also should probably caulk my marshall cab, it's just way too boomy (even in the room).
or I should just experiment a bit with the t75 in the Bogner cab, but that cab is so heavy and doesn't have casters, so I don't feel like hauling it into the booth that often

anyways, thanks for the tips, I'll keep trying.
btw, do you also feel that with a t75 you have to use less gain from the amp?

Yeah, well I just go with what the stomach tells me. But no, I have't felt like that. I tend to have too much distortion anyway, but..

The room have a lot to do with it. I always use EQ a lot, unless I'm lucky *cough*, I mean, no drumkit in the world sounds awesome without post processing, right? Why should all of a sudden a guitarsound be "straight from the cab, no eq bla bla". For me I'm looking for certain mid frequencies, and don't give a flying duck for the rest. Fix it in the mix, if the character of the palm mute is awesome. Actually, it's really simple when I think of it.

Anyway, good luck. Those mics are good mics.

 

[Ermz]

*bump* This thread doesn't deserve to be on the 2nd page.

You do some pretty good raw sounds for a guy who feels that way, Jocke. I'm all about post-processing the tones too, but it really helps to have a tone which actually contains the potential. One of the most dangerous things is too much fizz and too little body, because it's next to impossible to sculpt into something powerful. I always prefer darker and meatier, as you seem to have done here.

 

[AboutBlank]

Do us all a favor and reamp the new After the Burial with that monster instead of the Axe

 

[TheDude]

*bump* This thread doesn't deserve to be on the 2nd page.

You do some pretty good raw sounds for a guy who feels that way, Jocke. I'm all about post-processing the tones too, but it really helps to have a tone which actually contains the potential. One of the most dangerous things is too much fizz and too little body, because it's next to impossible to sculpt into something powerful. I always prefer darker and meatier, as you seem to have done here.

And that's the way I always end up with. The only exception is actually the Scarpoint album where I went all V30-SM57, and as Ola said: "the guitar sound is awful by itself, but works in the mix" but then again, the mix contains one of the most brutal bass sounds I've ever achieved. Fender Jaguar Bass into a Rectifier into an Ampeg 4x12 (!) miked with a ribbon. Holy low end, Batman!

Do us all a favor and reamp the new After the Burial with that monster instead of the Axe

Already taken care of, Sir!

 

[AboutBlank]

Already taken care of, Sir!

I'm so looking forward to this album for a long time, stoked that this CD will sound sick!

 

[Ermz]

Here's my first attempt at mixing this amp 'properly': http://dl.dropbox.com/u/285689/Forum/OlaFortin-ErmzMix5.mp3

First time I pulled out Chaosphere as a reference in... ever, I think. But you can hear the speakers in the tone, they definitely give that characteristic. They seem to desire mid-scooping more than V30s do.

Scuse the pump/distortion at the start. I didn't key off my master bus comp with a metro/snare hit to get it started before the mix.

 

[TheDude]

Here's my first attempt at mixing this amp 'properly': http://dl.dropbox.com/u/285689/Forum/OlaFortin-ErmzMix5.mp3

First time I pulled out Chaosphere as a reference in... ever, I think. But you can hear the speakers in the tone, they definitely give that characteristic. They seem to desire mid-scooping more than V30s do.

Scuse the pump/distortion at the start. I didn't key off my master bus comp with a metro/snare hit to get it started before the mix.

Note how well the vocals fit in the mix. Crystal fucking clear because the guitars doesn't fight in the frequencies. You could actually have the guitars higher in the mix and it'll still sound good.

Nice one Ermin.

 

[Ola Englund]

Note how well the vocals fit in the mix. Crystal fucking clear because the guitars doesn't fight in the frequencies. You could actually have the guitars higher in the mix and it'll still sound good.

Nice one Ermin.

My mixing abilities stop somewhere by the point when I need to mix vocals.

And yeah it sounds sweeet!

 

[Ermz]

Cheers guys. It's still a little messy, but I think it gets the right vibe across. I tried to keep too many lows in the guitar tracks because I didn't want them to sound too thin for those checking out the amp, but it clashes with the bass a little too much now.

The vocals were intense man. Almost 12dB high-end added, and like 3 to 5dB of mids sucked out, not including the 6 to 8dB of low-end attenuation with the C6, and like 6dB of de-essing with the C6 too. Not to mention 4 compressors in sequence. Distressor, Rvox, L1 and my 1176 . Oh and also two sets of saturation. Decapitator and iZotope Trash (that's if you don't include the Dist 3 mode I printed on the Distressor).

If you were to look at the waveform I'm positive it would be nothing other than a brick, hah.

Also, thanks to both of you for giving me the opportunity. I haven't mixed T75 guitar tracks in years, and certainly this amp was really interesting to work with in such detail too.