France Bans Burka/Niqab

[Paulie!]

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Radicalism/Terrorism is not religion specific so I have no beef with Islam or any other religion in that respect.. I personally just don't like being told what I can and can't do.. This is the major reason I'm anti-organized religion.. faith is all well and good, but practice it on your own time and not mine. I don't cram my agnostic bull shit down peoples throats, so it would I appreciate it if people (mainly christians truthfully) didn't cram the holy spirit down mine.

Maybe I'm in the wrong, maybe I'm going to "hell", or maybe I'm just an asshole.. but that's how I feel about it...
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As for burka's/other "religious symbols".. I fully agree with religious freedom and that everyone should be able to practice how they wish as long as others aren't infringed upon.. and seriously whose rights is a burka infringing (besides possible the party wearing them)

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[Glenn Fricker]

and seriously whose rights is a burka infringing (besides possible the party wearing them)

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When that person wearing a Burka applies for a driver's license, or walks into a bank, or goes through airport security, it immediately creates inequality for everyone else.


Because there will be two sets of rules. One set for the faithful & one for the infidels.

If I walked into a bank with my face covered, I'd be arrested. Rightfully so.

But, as soon as someone bleats the magic word, "religion" the rules suddenly change.

Religion always demands privilege & this is just another facet.


If someone chooses to practice religion, that's fine. If you want to give up your rights to happiness & equality to a god that isn't there, you're an idiot, but it's certainly your choice to make.

But when you demand special treatment because of the particular brand of superstition you're practicing, then that's not cool. So yes, I support France on this one.

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

OMG

 

[guitarguru777]

You know hitler had the cure for all of this racial shit ....

 

[LeSedna]

I laughed so much

 

[LeSedna]

BTW, I just read the law is a bit more general. It's about prohibiting "hiding one's face in a public space", in behalf of several basic rule from the fundation of our constitution (one being the fact somebody wanting to live in france has to adopt basic behaviours and it has been decided having his/her face hidden is contrary to the french basic society/social behaviour). An equivalent would be the prohibition of incest or polygamy. One could say "what's the problem of being incestuous or polygam ?".

But of course, one has to remember we're just in the middle of the beginning of the presidential campains. That's why I'm reading a bit more on the subject to be sure I catch everything about this topic.

Also, the argument of "it will only make them stay at home" is not totally acceptable for me. It's the same as not punishing a kid in his room because when he does he cries and it's worse. Of course there will be cases like that, but that's just seeing only one part of the problem (the other part being the concequencies of adopting the contrary position). Also, it's a long term decision.

BTW, I think our country will stay highly controversial all the time but I think it's great, it's why many things here are great on a social level.

 

[JeffTD]

An equivalent would be the prohibition of incest or polygamy. One could say "what's the problem of being incestuous or polygam ?"

I just want to point out that these are terrible comparisons - incest has been proven to result in retarded, disabled, or diseased offspring (Czar Nicholas II, anyone?), and there is no rational legal argument against polygamy between consenting adults.

 

[Atheist]

Banning something isn't a solution. It just raises interest in young people - it's interesting and adventurous because it's forbidden.

 

[midget donkeys]

Regardless of the motivation of the politicians that passed the french law, it does appear reasonable to me to prohibit hiding ones identity in public. For instance how could you tell who someone is on a security camera at a store or airport or whatnot.

Strangely enough when I was in Iraq only the very old women in my area would wear a burka. Young women would often wear more modern style blouses, skirts, and make up with a head scarf. An interpreter told us we were in a very conservative section of the country also and that women in other parts of Iraq dressed even more western.

It would seem to me that the muslims in France wearing burkas are indeed an extreme reaction to failed integration to french socoiety.

 

[drew_drummer]

I think any reasonable person would fail to integrate in French society.

lulz.

 

[LeSedna]

I just want to point out that these are terrible comparisons - incest has been proven to result in retarded, disabled, or diseased offspring (Czar Nicholas II, anyone?), and there is no rational legal argument against polygamy between consenting adults.

It's not a comparison between the different facts I made, but I pointed out that they are all "listed" as contrary to our constitution laws.

 

[Skyweaver]

It's an easy fix - No Religion and No clothes for woman (fat chicks exempted )

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

BTW, I just read the law is a bit more general. It's about prohibiting "hiding one's face in a public space", in behalf of several basic rule from the fundation of our constitution (one being the fact somebody wanting to live in france has to adopt basic behaviours and it has been decided having his/her face hidden is contrary to the french basic society/social behaviour).

Dude, fuck yes, that really is how it should be - too bad my country sorta shot itself in the foot with the whole "melting pot" thing

 

[MindMunch]

BTW, I just read the law is a bit more general. It's about prohibiting "hiding one's face in a public space"

Slipknot has something to say about this law

 

[LeSedna]

Slipknot has something to say about this law