Gaming Thread

The average American doesn't make as much money as you guys. They buy consoles. Microsoft is an American company.

Europe does not make consoles.

The Japanese are all about Nintendo, especially now that Sony's done for.

Don't get me wrong, I wish I could afford a gaming PC.

I don't understand the statement that Europe doesn't make consoles. Also, how is Sony done for? They've just announced PS4. Personally, I wouldn't touch an Xbox with a ten-foot pole, but that's just me. I'll take a Playstation any day. All the best games are either specifically for PS3 or are also available on PC.

I don't make much money at all...sure it's a lot per hour, but in the end it's barely scraping by. I own a laptop, a gaming PC, and a PS3. I've had my gaming PC since the advent of the Xbox 360, and it's rather average even though it can run just about anything. Had I stuck with just a console, I would've spent much more on games, warranties, etc. than with a PC. Dude, with $1000 or less you can have an ass-kicking gaming PC that you won't have to upgrade for at least 4 years. Even when you DO have to upgrade it, if it's a hard drive it's gonna cost you $100 max. If it's a video card, it will cost you $150-$200 max. Also, that's something along the lines of an i5 processor with the new nVidia card and like 8 gigs of RAM. That's plenty, and that's brand new, including all the software, AND if you buy it pre-built. If you know someone like Max or Steve who can build one while hanging upside down blindfolded like fuckin' Rambo, you can get away with paying even less.

Now ask yourself how much money you spend on booze, drugs, partying, friends, socializing, etc. and I think you'll find that you can afford a nice gaming PC. Save 25 bucks a week and in a few months you can buy a brand new PC...or you can blow all your money that you have to satisfy your I WANT IT NAO feeling for Skyrim and in six months have your USED XBOX 360 break on you and have to find ANOTHER one somewhere, and you end up spending 600 bucks on something that is already outdated and dying. Hell, you might as well just save up for the 720 if you don't want a PC.
 
One more thing: A LAPTOP IS NOT A GAMING PC.

They're expensive, have cooling issues, and were never designed to play hardcore video games in the first place. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. Yes, they market them for gamers as well, but those same gamers are the ones on all the forums complaining about heating issues when new technology comes out, while my 5 year old system is running at 50 degrees Celsius under full load.

You like playing on your television and not a monitor? Hook up your computer to the tv. A console is just a weak PC, that's it. It's not some magic box that does the same thing...THERE IS A COMPUTER INSIDE IT. However, due to it being a console and not a PC, it's not meant to run games at those temperatures which is why they break so often and PCs don't.

We've been telling you this for ages and still you're being hard-headed about it. Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3, but there's a reason I own 7 PS3 games and over 100 PC games.
 
Less money? Aren't you looking for another Xbox 360 since your last one broke? You probably paid 300 bucks for the last one, and now you're gonna pay at least 150-200 for another one. I've had a computer that can play every single game a 360 can play and in 5 years I've changed only the hard drive and the video card on it.

I guess there's a point buried somewhere in there? You not only first had to buy the initial computer (which probably cost a bit more than a 360), but decent graphics cards cost between $250 - $500. Then there's the hard drive, but that could have been anywhere between $30 - $150. It actually is less money to game on a console, unless you pirate every PC game you play.

Also, no worrying about getting my system bricked, no worrying about getting the system modded only to have it die on me an hour later, and no Red Ring of Death/Yellow Light of Death...WHICH THEY'VE HAD 6 YEARS TO FIX BY NOW AND STILL HAVEN'T DONE IT.

Consoles are infinitely more user friendly. RRoD sucks, but there are way more issues that can go wrong with a PC, and the general public is not computer savvy enough to figure out the issues on their own, so they usually either take them to a shop to get fixed, or just buy a new one.

The funny thing about the "pirating crisis" though is that a) more people own a PC than they do X or Y console but b) console games seem to be catching up or exceeding the amount of copies being taken per title and they are getting new releases faster than the PC are now in this way (thanks to DRM and other crap). Doing away with PC gaming because of pirating won't stop shit. If anything, people will just buy a secondary system to play their library of 200 burnt console games.
 
DW-I make minimum wage which is $7.75 over here.

I pay about $500 a month for rent, plus food, plus the phone and internet, every week I have about 10 bucks to myself. I buy Cobra 40 ounces which cost $2 dollars. Plus, I have to pay bus fair to get to and from work.

I'm literally living dollar to dollar. If I quit drinking completely, I'd save about $30 a month, give or take.

A gaming PC, unfortunately, just isn't an option for me. I'm considering selling....things just so I can afford another XBOX.

This isn't a "Woe is me" post, I'm just saying. There's no way in hell I'll ever be able to afford it.
 
If you know someone like Max or Steve who can build one while hanging upside down blindfolded and naked like fuckin' Rambo, you can get away with paying even less.

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This is true. If you can get someone to help you build one, it is way cheaper than buying one straight from the factory. Also, If I do end up moving down there, you can just use mine!
 
As DW said, getting a decent gaming PC can be done for not much more than an Xbox, and it's an investment, as it far less likely to die as quickly as a console would. Also, in response to "The average American doesn't make as much money as you guys", I just checked:
The average american wage is $41,673.83 a year. I make a good amount less than that. It's not only doable if you are on a budget, its still the best option.
 
John, it sounds like you need to buy neither at the moment. Just save your money so you'll have some because if you're living dollar to dollar, you don't need to buy video games. It's up to you mang, but if you're hurting that badly for money, you may wanna re-check your priorities. Just my take on it, not trying to tell you what to do or anything.
 
the price argument is retarded, how much did you pay for a computer 600+ or so? how much did you pay for a xbox? 200? that's 800 and more than enough to buy a machine that can do both.
 
I guess there's a point buried somewhere in there? You not only first had to buy the initial computer (which probably cost a bit more than a 360), but decent graphics cards cost between $250 - $500. Then there's the hard drive, but that could have been anywhere between $30 - $150. It actually is less money to game on a console, unless you pirate every PC game you play.



Consoles are infinitely more user friendly. RRoD sucks, but there are way more issues that can go wrong with a PC, and the general public is not computer savvy enough to figure out the issues on their own, so they usually either take them to a shop to get fixed, or just buy a new one.

The funny thing about the "pirating crisis" though is that a) more people own a PC than they do X or Y console but b) console games seem to be catching up or exceeding the amount of copies being taken per title and they are getting new releases faster than the PC are now in this way (thanks to DRM and other crap). Doing away with PC gaming because of pirating won't stop shit. If anything, people will just buy a secondary system to play their library of 200 burnt console games.

Wat.

A "decent" graphics card will land you about 150 bucks max. A "nice" graphics card will cost you about $200, and a top of the line graphics card will cost you no more than $250-300. Also, you should know that you can play every single game with all these cards, it's just the lower ends may not be able to run AA and Anisotropic Filtering at max settings and still get 60 fps. You have to tweak them a bit.

If you're paying more than $250 for a graphics card, you're probably buying those cards that are completely unusable for the first three years due to no software being able to fully utilize them. Gamers who buy those cards are usually buying them because they're the most expensive, so they think they're the best. This could not be further from the truth. Half of the time people don't even know the difference because all they care about is frames per second. Well, you can get a last generation GeForce 460 for about 120 bucks and it will run Skyrim while riding a unicycle and juggling three flaming bowling pins. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's good or will even work properly.

I don't think anyone here advocating PCs is so dense as to believe that the initial cost of a PC is less than a console. It's like Max said: it's an investment. You DO realize you can do more things than play games on a computer, right? You can record music, watch movies, do all your internetz, use it for photo/film editing, etc.

John likes to record his music. If he were to get a decent PC for around $600, he could utilize all these features and still play all the games he loves. That's what we're saying. Sure, you can splurge on an Xbox 360 for 200 bucks and then play ONE video game, Skyrim, and then it just becomes one big paperweight, or you can save up a bit and make a solid investment in something you'll have for literally years to come.

Xbox games are anywhere between 35 to 50 bucks a pop. A person who buys a console has the intention of buying more than just one video game. Before you know it, you've got a collection of 10 games. Those ten games could've been an extra $300-$400 bucks gone towards your computer, which by that time you would've already had had you saved your money from the beginning.

Consoles ARE NOT user friendly, at least in terms of gameplay and control. This isn't PS2 where you pop in the disc and it plays. Now you have bugs, patches, installs, uninstalls, defrags, etc., just like with a PC. Oh, and consoles also have HARD DRIVES with which to do these installs, uninstalls, and defrags, and you know what? They die just as often as they die in a PC, sometimes even more. So let's look at what we have:

A PC has a video card, cooling system, OS, sound card (if it's not integrated) and a hard drive. A console actually has multiple video cards/processors, its own (often faulty) cooling system, its own OS, and its own hard drive. Not only that, all those components notoriously fail many times more often than those of a PC.

I'm running a dual core 3 gig machine with 3 gigs of RAM, an nVidia GeForce 450 GS video card, and an old Soundblaster Audigy audio card I bought from a friend for 15 bucks in my PC. WITH WINDOWS XP. I can play just about any game out there just fine aside from BF3, and that's why I have a PS3. This year I'm buying a new PC after the summer and this one will just be passed down to my wife who doesn't game anymore and her laptop will be a permanent fixture in the living room. I have to save up for it because I've got other bills to pay first, but it's an investment and I'd MUCH rather invest in a PC than impulse buy an Xbox.
 
Also, the only reason I have a PS3 is because a friend of mine was selling all 6 of his games, both controllers, and his PS3 Slim for 250 euros last year. Were it not for that awesome deal, I wouldn't have bought it, at least not until Dust 514 comes out, and that's only because Dust will be a PS3-only game.
 
Wat.

A "decent" graphics card will land you about 150 bucks max. A "nice" graphics card will cost you about $200, and a top of the line graphics card will cost you no more than $250-300.

I don't know what planet you're living on, but this isn't accurate at all (in the US anyway), unless you're just talking about building a computer that can run console games at medium settings. Almost every "top of the line" card that's not the "super ultra extreme OC" version costs $500 before a rebate. If you're waiting until they drop $100 - $150, then they are no longer top of the line anymore, because the new cards (or just iteration) will be out in the next few weeks. The last truly "bang for your buck" video cards that came out when a new series was released was the GeForce 8 (whoops, meant 6) series line from Nvidia, and the 5000 series from ATI, and both of them were in the $350 range.

I've been building my own computers since 98, and I don't just randomly throw away cash to get some super "name brand" hardware; so I have a little experience on the matter.

If you're paying more than $250 for a graphics card, you're probably buying those cards that are completely unusable for the first three years due to no software being able to fully utilize them. Gamers who buy those cards are usually buying them because they're the most expensive, so they think they're the best. This could not be further from the truth. Half of the time people don't even know the difference because all they care about is frames per second. Well, you can get a last generation GeForce 460 for about 120 bucks and it will run Skyrim while riding a unicycle and juggling three flaming bowling pins. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's good or will even work properly.

Or it could be, you know...because they actually want to be able to play games at a consistent 60fps with all of the eye candy on without a bunch of hitching or video lag? Yeah, could be. Not to say your claim is without merit, because I've seen plenty of people who buy the latest and greatest just to show off what their system can do for something like Crysis and then they quickly sell it for another as soon as it's released.

Consoles ARE NOT user friendly, at least in terms of gameplay and control. This isn't PS2 where you pop in the disc and it plays. Now you have bugs, patches, installs, uninstalls, defrags, etc., just like with a PC. Oh, and consoles also have HARD DRIVES with which to do these installs, uninstalls, and defrags, and you know what? They die just as often as they die in a PC, sometimes even more

Must be why my PC illiterate friend hates to use his PC for anything other than DvD burning, and doesn't even try to learn anything about it. Yet he games endlessly on consoles and goes out of his way to be mister "console authority" at the local gaming shops. Don't kid yourself. Just because you or I might not find PC problems to be truly problematic (because you know; we might actually know what the fuck is wrong and how to fix it) doesn't mean the majority of the world operates that way.

The average GOOD gaming PC costs right around $800 now. And that's if you build it yourself and want it to last up to four years.
 
If you're buying a $500 video card, you're not buying it for the games; you're buying to tell everyone you've got a $500 video card so people can drool and masturbate over it on internet forums. Buying a $500 video card while you're on a budget is retarded...you can almost get another computer for that money. This is why NO ONE DOES IT BUT PEOPLE WITH WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS. Almost all new computer hardware that comes out is a complete waste of money due to the fact that it can't be properly utilized. This is why you never buy everything top of the line right off the bat because you're just wasting your money. This is why an i5 runs games better than an i7; not many things can take advantage of the hyperthreading yet.

You're missing the point. YOU DON'T NEED A TOP OF THE LINE VIDEO CARD TO PLAY GAMES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO RUN EVERYTHING ON MAX SETTINGS. We're not telling him to buy his dream machine with three video cards and 24 gigs of RAM, all water-cooled in a computer that looks like a space station and with three 32" monitors. We're simply saying that you can get a nice PC anywhere between 600-1000 bucks. Also, we're discounting the monitor. He's got an LCD tv he can use instead, so that's an extra 150 bucks he can save.

The system I'm going to get is not top of the line. It's an i5 2500 3.3 gig processor with 8 gigs of RAM, 1 TB hard drive, and a GeForce GTX 550Ti. I'm gonna upgrade the power supply for another 80 euros and add Win 7 for another 90 euros. All in all, it's gonna run me about 900 euros AFTER I upgraded the power supply, Win 7, and went with the 550Ti. Yes, I know there are other cards that run 1/1000000000000000000000000000000 of a second faster than the 550, but it doesn't matter. That will suffice for my needs for at least four years.

John is in the same boat. He wants to play Skyrim, maybe the new Guild Wars, maybe BF3, and wants to surf the net and record music and watch porn. This is why a PC would benefit him more, we believe. Another thing, he doesn't even need all the things I added on mine to enjoy it. He can run a game on medium to high settings and then upgrade when he gets the chance. The only thing he's gonna have to do for medium settings is turn down the Anisotropic Filtering and some Antialiasing because for some reason gamers today like games' graphics to look like your vision after you rub chlorine in your eyes. What's more, a PC game on medium settings still looks better than any console game.

The point is, you buy a PC to fit your needs, and you don't have to spend an arm and a leg to get it.
 
Or it could be, you know...because they actually want to be able to play games at a consistent 60fps with all of the eye candy on without a bunch of hitching or video lag? Yeah, could be. Not to say your claim is without merit, because I've seen plenty of people who buy the latest and greatest just to show off what their system can do for something like Crysis and then they quickly sell it for another as soon as it's released.

60 FPS? Skyrim? On a console? I'd KILL to be able to play Skyrim at 60 FPS in HD. Granted, it's on the PS3, but it should be said that the reason it has slowdown is because the graphics are better. Bethesda, in their infinite fucking wisdom actually said, "Hey, since the PS3 is more powerful and can render better than the Xbox, let's push the graphics even further even if it causes slowdown!"

And the shittiest part about it? Unlike PC, you can't turn down the graphics on a console. You're stuck with it until they fix it in a patch.

I love my consoles. I've got every single console except for the 360 and I use them regularly. But for the most part their games are dumbed-down versions of a PC game. I understand the "I don't want the hassle" attitude because that's precisely why I like my consoles. However, there are games made for consoles and games made for PCs. I like Skyrim on the console better mainly because I can comfortably play it in my living room. I also have BF3 on my console because my PC won't run it due to the OS being XP. If it were on my PC, the experience would be even better due to the superior controls.

There is no console game in existence as deep in gameplay that can match those of the PC. They've either been ported over, dumbed-down, or they're just a big button-mashing fest. Not to say that they're not fun, but they have their place. Your friend being a "console expert" is like being an expert on how to program your Tivo; it's not that difficult to begin with. I bet he's annoying as fuck to be around when talking about gaming, because I have a friend just like him.
 
60 FPS? Skyrim? On a console? I'd KILL to be able to play Skyrim at 60 FPS in HD. Granted, it's on the PS3, but it should be said that the reason it has slowdown is because the graphics are better. Bethesda, in their infinite fucking wisdom actually said, "Hey, since the PS3 is more powerful and can render better than the Xbox, let's push the graphics even further even if it causes slowdown!"

Sure, I suppose it's possible that some people actually believe this. As per your argument about why you think people buy the cards that they do; that really only had relevance after 2006 and has been gaining ground ever since as PC development for gaming has steadily died down and more and more games became a console port. Do you know how I like to play my games? At 1920x1200 on the highest settings that are not poorly optimized or built specifically for SLI with 16xAF, 8xSS with vsync on if there's any noticeable tearing at all. Many cards could do this, but good luck avoiding the 15fps drops that would plague the gameplay with a bargain bin card. Those aren't even the highest settings many other people like to play at, and on much larger 1080p monitors. You might call it excessive, but it's not if you're a graphics whore--and why else play on the PC over the console aside from the UI?

I bet he's annoying as fuck to be around when talking about gaming, because I have a friend just like him.

Well, yes and no. He doesn't talk that way to me any longer, because he knows it's pointless. I get most of the information he's trying to teach me long before he even knew whatever hardware/title he's talking about even existed. Thanks to my PC (even though he has internet on his droid). Where he gets really annoying is when he tries pushing a gaming idea on me that I am either completely apathetic about, or flatly state that I don't want to be bothered with it.
 
just download 360 games and burn them onto dvds. plenty of websites with how-to's, and plenty of sites with games. it takes a bit of reading up on, but obviously it's more than worth it since games are sixty dollars a piece when they first come out. that's an obvious solution to the cost issue.
 
just download 360 games and burn them onto dvds. plenty of websites with how-to's, and plenty of sites with games. it takes a bit of reading up on, but obviously it's more than worth it since games are sixty dollars a piece when they first come out. that's an obvious solution to the cost issue.
Do you know why games are $60? Because

1) People are willing to pay $60 for them, and
2) Too many people illegally download games, pushing the price further up

So downloading games to cover the cost issue is a short-sighted 'solution' since it'll only make games more expensive to buy legally. I know some publishers are greedy bastards who bathe in our hard-earned money every day, but seriously, for a game that gives you 50+ hours of enjoyment, is 60 bucks really that high a price?
 
but seriously, for a game that gives you 50+ hours of enjoyment, is 60 bucks really that high a price?

Not at all, but it's rare anymore to see the average game getting anywhere near that amount of playtime, counting replays. I don't count superfluous bonus game shit as necessary at all or something that should be counted into the estimated playtime for your first run either. It's funny though how many people anymore bitch if a game does not have 60 hours minimum for a non RPG. Kind of ties in with the rating scale I posted earlier too. Are these people for real?
 
Not at all, but it's rare anymore to see the average game getting anywhere near that amount of playtime?

FPS games, racing games, fighters, sports games, and even pinball (although not as widespread, the fanbase for PBFX2 is HUGE.) All of the games from these genres guarantee hundreds if not thousands of hours of playtime. Also, you can't forget the XBLA and PSN games that are either emulated arcade games or original titles. Any game with any sort of competitive element offers infinite replayability. I generally leave this thread alone now as the arguments are fucking ridiculous but I have to say, that was a realllly dumb comment. Also, before you mention "single player campaigns" or some bullshit way to backtrack your comment in order to seem correct, accounting for multiplayer in the cost value of a game is an absolute must. *throws hands up* I'm done with this stupid thread.

New topic: Why the gaming thread is bollocks now. I'll tell you why, it turned from a discussion of games to who has the biggest e-dick and who's "right." You guys aren't even fucking paying attention to what you're posting anymore, you're just trying to prove one another wrong or trying to outwit one another. Stop wasting your fucking time and post something worth reading that's about, you know, games ...Not who's the best at being an argumentative cunt. If you're that bored go play the games you all probably suck at. You stupid casual fucks, you spend more time arguing and crying over games than you do playing them.