Good Doom Metal

Powers

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Right basically, I can't bloody stand Doom Metal (admitadly as a Dragonforce fan my opinion is null and void), however as the open minded individual that I am I'm willing to listen to some recommendations and try to understand the appeal of trhe genre as a whole.

Bare in mind I've listened to Sunn o))), Khanate and Burning Witch and I laughed 'cause I thought it was so bad, on the other hand I'm quite partial to Swallow the Sun.

So name a band or more and their five best songs in your opinion, and try to make it stuff that you think I'll like. For all of you Doom fans just have a discussion here and I'll pick and choose what I think sounds ok.

Thanks.
 
doom is typically slow, drawn out, depressing and minimalist in most respects.

but youre saying you like doom if its mid tempo, overly melodic and peppy.

essentially "moody" melodic death metal?
 
I'd second the November's Doom recommendation. But to be honest they don't really strike me as doom. I'm another one of those who could never really appreciate the genre, and the Pale Haunt Departure went down 'okay' for me... I didn't hate it or anything. Would definitely start there.
 
People are gonna ass fuck me for mentioning some "doom death" bands cause its "not" doom, even though its slow, heavy, and gloomy.. but since you like Swallow the Sun you should appreciate some of them..

Rapture (atleast their first two)
Shape of Despair
early Katatonia
early Amorphis
Sleep (more traditional)
Cephallic Carnage's EP "The Halls of Amenti" (one 20 minute doom song)
The Melvins
 
Fff. I just posted a reply to you in the other thread. Guess I'll go copy & paste it here then.
 
Those bands are rather extreme on the doom scale (drone/extreme funeral, etc). Place of Skulls is trad doom. Doom metal doesn't really have one single sound. It just has two main characteristics which are that it is slow paced and depressing. But those are still applied in lots of different ways across the different doom metal genres.

Traditional doom
This is basically just slow heavy metal. Mainly clean vocals and just slow guitar riffs. Basically a continuation of Sabbath's sound but a bit more doom. Good bands that fall into that category:

Black Sabbath
Candlemass
Cathedral
Saint Vitus
Place of Skulls (who I've actually not listened to, but they are trad)

Death doom
Doom metal with extreme vocals and just generally more extreme than trad doom:

Anathema (old stuff)
Katatonia (old stuff)
Mourning Beloveth
My Dying Bride
Paradise Lost (old stuff)

I actually don't think I listen to any other death doom bands currently so someone else might suggest more of them.

Funeral doom
Doom metal's dirgy and slow compositions taken to the extreme, usually with extreme vocals too. This music is *slow*. It may appear boring at first listen but if you properly listen to it and you're into dirgy type stuff it's really nice. Bands:

Esoteric
Skepticism

Then there's drone doom which bands like Sun o))) belong to, a genre I have not really explored yet so I don't know if any of it is really worth listening to. I listen to plenty of drony ambient so I guess I'd probably find something to enjoy there, but I simply haven't had the chance to really check any out yet.

There's also bands like Novembers Doom and Swallow the Sun, which I really do not consider doom at all (no more than I would consider Opeth doom). But if you're so inclinded I suppose you could file them under death doom. They're good bands. Just don't seem very doom'ish to me.

[That was my reply to your I hate doom and I've only listened to [bunch of really extreme doom bands] post]
 
Also, while you're here NFU, how about some funeral doom recommendations? I really only listen to the two bands I listed there. It seems like a genre where the line between "really great" and "really bland" is very blurry. Because I've checked out a few other bands that really did nothing at all for me.
 
Oh hey, one band which could fit into NFU's 'moody' melodic death category would be Slumber. They're very melodic, but also have the doom element of seeming to stretch things on. They definitely don't have that big 'doom and gloom' vibe about them though. More like nostalgia-inducing melodies and such.

Definitely give Slumber a shot.
 
with Doom being my favourite genre, i cannot hesitate to give some recommendations, although i already gave some in the other doom thread:

Candlemass - Nightfall
Solitude Aeturnus - Through The Darkest Hour
Morgion - Solinari
Unholy - Rapture
Void Of Silence - Human Antithesis
Mourning Beloveth - The Sullen Sulcus
Evoken - Antithesis Of Light
Esoteric - Subconcous Dissolution Into The Continuum
My Dying Bride - Turn Loose The Swans
Skepticism - Lead And Aether
Dusk - Majestic Thou In Ruin
 
CAIRATH said:
Also, while you're here NFU, how about some funeral doom recommendations? I really only listen to the two bands I listed there. It seems like a genre where the line between "really great" and "really bland" is very blurry. Because I've checked out a few other bands that really did nothing at all for me.

good to great funeral doom besides esoteric and skepticism:


asunder
unholy
disembowelment
celestiial
tyranny
catacombs
unburied
thergothon
worship
monolithe
dolorian
imindain
ataraxie (some death in there as well)
evoken
morgion
pantheist (1st album)
mournful congregation
funeralium
dusk
funeral
 
Can I just suggest Powers, that you use headphones and try not to do anything when listening to doom? I find Dragonforce intolerable unless i'm running round the room naked playing air guitar, so think of listening to doom as the opposite. Doom's appeal relies more on your reception of the mood and imagery of the music than guitarwork or solos.

The band suggestions listed above are pretty good, I won't add any - just take a selection and try what i just said and good luck! I found doom one of the hardest things to "get into" so it will take time. Don't even try funeral doom or drone at this stage - starting off with Tyranny or SunnO)) is just ridiculous.
 
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NineFeetUnderground said:
doom is typically slow, drawn out, depressing and minimalist in most respects.

but youre saying you like doom if its mid tempo, overly melodic and peppy.

essentially "moody" melodic death metal?

good to great funeral doom besides esoteric and skepticism:


asunder
unholy
disembowelment
celestiial
tyranny
catacombs
unburied
thergothon
worship
monolithe
dolorian
imindain
ataraxie (some death in there as well)
evoken
morgion
pantheist (1st album)
mournful congregation
funeralium
dusk
funeral

I suppose you could argue that yes. Perhaps slower less melodic doom is just something I'll never get my head around.

I'd a feeling you'd reply to this, you know some relativley underground stuff and some of it turns out to rather good so, I'll give it a try


Scourge of Malice said:
Rapture (atleast their first two)
Shape of Despair
early Katatonia
early Amorphis
Sleep (more traditional)
Cephallic Carnage's EP "The Halls of Amenti" (one 20 minute doom song)
The Melvins

I'd no idea that Katatonia had an early doomy side, I shall have check this out. Although I've only recently started listening to them.

CAIRATH said:
Those bands are rather extreme on the doom scale (drone/extreme funeral, etc). Place of Skulls is trad doom. Doom metal doesn't really have one single sound. It just has two main characteristics which are that it is slow paced and depressing. But those are still applied in lots of different ways across the different doom metal genres.

Traditional doom
This is basically just slow heavy metal. Mainly clean vocals and just slow guitar riffs. Basically a continuation of Sabbath's sound but a bit more doom. Good bands that fall into that category:

Black Sabbath
Candlemass
Cathedral
Saint Vitus
Place of Skulls (who I've actually not listened to, but they are trad)

Death doom
Doom metal with extreme vocals and just generally more extreme than trad doom:

Anathema (old stuff)
Katatonia (old stuff)
Mourning Beloveth
My Dying Bride
Paradise Lost (old stuff)

[That was my reply to your I hate doom and I've only listened to [bunch of really extreme doom bands] post]

Lol fairplay to that final comment although like I say I'm trying.

I do love Sabbath, alrthough the arguement in favour of them being doom metal is, I imagine, highly disputed.

Cathedral? Hey I listened, that's not what I thought Doom was (although that was juding by Khanate and Sunn o))) standards), but if Lee Dorrain is involved it's got to be good. i nearly went to see HIM, because tehy were supporting, but I knew I'd just throw things at Ville Valo...wanker.

As for Place of Skulls, I'll give them a whirl, but I've heard people say their a lot like Khanate and it's sort of put me off.

Hypnos said:
with Doom being my favourite genre, i cannot hesitate to give some recommendations, although i already gave some in the other doom thread:

Candlemass - Nightfall
Solitude Aeturnus - Through The Darkest Hour
Morgion - Solinari
Unholy - Rapture
Void Of Silence - Human Antithesis
Mourning Beloveth - The Sullen Sulcus
Evoken - Antithesis Of Light
Esoteric - Subconcous Dissolution Into The Continuum
My Dying Bride - Turn Loose The Swans
Skepticism - Lead And Aether
Dusk - Majestic Thou In Ruin

Now is this stuff that leans more toward the extreme Doom side which, as a doom fan, I imagine you're quite into or is it stuff that i may actaully like juding by what I said in my first post?

hibernal_dream said:
Can I just suggest Powers, that you use headphones and try not to do anything when listening to doom? I find Dragonforce intolerable unless i'm running round the room naked playing air guitar, so think of listening to doom as the opposite. Doom's appeal relies more on your reception of the mood and imagery of the music than guitarwork or solos.

The first time I listened to Khanate I sat perfectly still and did nothing for as long as I could...then laughed and turned of the computer. Suffice it to say it was an "experience" but it just made me feel sort of...isolated. It wasn't particularly nice, although I suppose it's not menat to, perhaps that's waht I don't like about it. Good thinking though.

hibernal_dream said:
The band suggestions listed above are pretty good, I won't add any - just take a selection and try what i just said and good luck! I found doom one of the hardest things to "get into" so it will take time. Don't even try funeral doom or drone at this stage - starting off with Tyranny or SunnO)) is just ridiculous.

Right, that's what a lot of people are saying and I'm inclined to agree with them because they no more than I do on the subject. Still I shall see what I like.

metal_wrath said:
Pick up the new issue of 'Terrorizer' magazine, it has a feature on Doom Metal. please tell me you read Terrorizer magazine, or BWBK.

Yes, yes of course, well at least whenever I feel like it or there something of interest in it, I do know a lad who writes in it as well and he tends to tell me what'll be in it from month to month. I wouldn't call myself an avid reader but if you think it's be a good idea to pick it up then I shall. To be honest the only magazine I really need to get my hands on is Decibel but I can't find it anywhere in this bloody country!

Thankyou lads.