Gotta vent to people who understand...

Jordon

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Ok, to preface, I've had a few pints, so keep that in mind if my thoughts are a bit convoluted.

So back in August, I'm hired to edit drums for a band on a major label subsidiary. Then, I'm hired to track and edit bass. I think "right on," as these cats have been friends of mine for a while. I'm stoke, and honored to work on the project.

So a week after the drums and bass are done, I get a text saying "we want you to mix the album. This is the first week of September (the timeline is important). They ask me what I would charge for it, and I give them a quote. They double the quote, to which I cannot say no...Everyone needs money where they can get it. I start mixing the single first. It's approved by the band and the label by Sept. 24th. I remember this day because I was in Nashville. About 4 hours after I get the call that it's ready to be sent to the mastering engineer, I get a call from the singer asking when I'll be back in Chicago. I tell him I'd be back the evening of the 25th, and he says I MUST be at the studio that night after a 10 hour drive from Nashville to inexplicably re-mix the single from the ground up.

Fast forward to Oct 21st, 14 hour days, 7 days a week, and we've missed the deadline for the album. We are 50+ revisions (yea, really) into the single. Now I'm being blamed for missed deadlines when the band only has drums and bass on 9 of the 11 songs. No vocals, no guitars. They are tracking the guitars and vocals themselves...And, I might add, running the vocals through a UA610 and a fucking Distressor, both absolutely slammed. The singer was proud of the "35 db of gain reduction" on the vocals. They were damn near un-listenable soloed.

The label extends the deadline to November 18th. On November 9th, the two singles have been mastered by Mr. Tom Baker at Precision Mastering, and he approved of the mixes (was ecstatic, actually...quite a big deal for me) and I have all but 3 songs mixed. The last 3 songs STILL have NO guitar and NO vocals even tracked. That night, I'm fired via email. Ok, I got paid, the project has been a pain in the ass, so be it. I give them their sessions.


Now comes today. I got a text from the singer asking me to send him guitar and vocal files THAT I WAS NEVER GIVEN! He also asks me to re-send sessions that I put on his external when I was fired from the project over a month ago (including a few unreasonable requests such as "hey can you head to the studio and send these files out now?" at 2am.). I no longer have these files. I was fired. I gave them to him.

Well, apparently he deleted his vocal sessions for a few songs.

I'll show you some text excerpts:

Me: "No dice on those vocal tracks."

Him: "You deleted them?"

Me: "I backed them up to your drive, then got rid of my copies."

Him: "I have a full rockin mix of that song....So I've got 2/3rds of a messed up record we paid in full for pieces of which are lost..."

Me: "Wait a minute. You asked me to edit drums: done. Then you asked me to track and edit bass: done. Then mix, did that, was in the process of finishing: fired. You guys tracked guitar and vocals. I was not hired to be a file keeper. When I was fired from mixing, and gave you the files (and you still had the originals from August, mind you) I had no reason to keep anything. I backed things up to the best of my knowledge, but if anything was lost, it wasn't my responsibility to keep tabs on your files in the first place."

Him: "I have very little for how much we paid* and can't imagine saying anything positive about our experience together to anyone as we move into the next cycle. I just won't say a word. I think THAT'S best."


*They paid me the equivalent of about $5US an hour after I figured it out. All told, their main single had over 60+ revisions. Mainly because the singer was a control freak, saying things like (and I'm quoting directly), "Pull everything from 70hz and below out of the kick drum." and "Boost 1k in the vocals by 10db." Oh, how can I forget the whole "A kick drum lives in 700hz, not 70hz and not 8k." I shit you not.

Fuck! I generally don't bitch, but the audacity of this guy absolutely floors me. I'm not exactly "new" to any of this, but this takes the cake in my experience.

Let me just note that on November 1st, I tried to leave the project after the singer came in and fucked up my mixes. I wasn't allowed to quit, basically. I was told that they "wanted me to see the project to the end." A week later, I was fired,

Eh, whatever, I just needed to vent.
 
"Pull everything from 70hz and below out of the kick drum."
"Boost 1k in the vocals by 10db."
"A kick drum lives in 700hz, not 70hz and not 8k." I shit you not.

May I sig this?
 
Any contracts signed by either party? Or word of mouth agreements? If you feel like you've been fucked over, I'm sure you can pursue it beyond this. I know that here in Australia, emails can actually be considered a form of legally binding contract, so long as they're worded plain and clear.
 
Don't see how any of that is necessary ^ He said he got paid and it's over with, just venting on what a pain in the ass the project was.
 
Paid or not, its just shitty that you wont be getting any "Word-of-Mouth" points on this one. Especially since a lot of success in this industry is based on word of mouth. And double especially because it was for a decent label.

I feel for ya man.
 
Paid or not, its just shitty that you wont be getting any "Word-of-Mouth" points on this one. Especially since a lot of success in this industry is based on word of mouth. And double especially because it was for a decent label.

I feel for ya man.

I still get credit on the album, one way or another. It may not be the mix engineer credit I was hoping for, but I get editing and tracking credit.


....If the fucking thing ever gets release hahahaha.
 
Missing files is not your fault. They had the originals and were given back-up files by you and you are no longer working on the project. No longer your responsibility, and it's not your fault they suck at file managment.

Bands seem to think that if they record that you will have ALL files associated with that for eternity and they can call up on a whim and get them. I've gotten this a few times and seen others on this forum complain of the same thing. While obviously backing stuff up is a good idea and hard drive space/dvds are very cheap, once a projects left your hands and you've handed all the files they need over successfully, if something goes wrong past this point it's not your fault or problem. Hard drives die, files get lost and old projects get deleted to make space for new ones. It is not your job to keep everything you've ever worked on in case they feel like getting a remix done in 5 years time.

Sounds like you had a rought time on this project. Hopefully during the whole thing you'll have met someone along the way who sees how hard you've worked and will hire you/refer you in the future.

There are control freaks out there who INSIST things are done their way. I once caved and cranked the bass on a mix for an E.P of a bands with a very controlling guitarist even though I told them I thought it was overly bassy already. Tracks got sent back by the mastering engineer for being too bassy and I had to do a remix. Lesson learned- trust your ears and musicians who try and tell you how to mix are full of shit.