Grindcore = Punk?

[Heartless]

Grindcore isn't punk or metal. It is Grindcore.

Grindcore takes elements from the metal and hardcore/punk genres.

the "core" in grindcore comes from "hardcore", which is essentially punk derived.

Technical Deathmetal with grind influences is commonly "Deathgrind"... deeds of flesh, origin, pyameia, etc...

It all sounds metal, as people have brought up earlier in the thread. But there defintiely are key distinctions and influences coming from alot of musical areas. For example, Soilent Green play deathmetal/grindcore with even some southern rock influences.

If you listen to Brutal Truth and older Napalm Death/ Carcass, you can hear the punk influences at work. Particularly in the lyrical content, the extremely speed up punk riffs.

Back then, punk/grind/crust etc were all a united scene.

One ultimate example of complete punk Grindore would have to be Extreme Noise Terror.

 

[SlaughterofSoul]

NO ONE HAS BROUGHT UP REPULSION! They took what Discharge and the like did, which was the early rumblings of grindcore, and refined it into what is now grindcore. Repulsion where the first, not Napalm Death.

 

[Derrick Filth]

Death metal and grindcore have somehow blended even though grind really came from punk. It was pretty much extreme punk in the beggining

 

[MacMoney]

Originally posted by SlaughterofSoul
NO ONE HAS BROUGHT UP REPULSION! They took what Discharge and the like did, which was the early rumblings of grindcore, and refined it into what is now grindcore. Repulsion where the first, not Napalm Death.

Yes, Repulsion were one of the first grindcore bands and grindcore became existant just about the same time as death metal so it can't be death metal fixed with hardcore. Grindcore is as much punk as death metal is metal.

And if you don't care about genres, what the hell are you doing in this thread?

 

[Zarok666]

Can anybody of you tell me what Crustcore is? Has it something to do with Grindcore?

 

[Profano]

GRINDCORE GODS!

 

[lord667]

Originally posted by Zarok666
Can anybody of you tell me what Crustcore is? Has it something to do with Grindcore?

Crustcore is musically indentical to Grindcore. I think crust is used for left-wing political acts, as opposed to apolitical gore bands.

 

[Soultorn]

I know you're all going to laugh outright when I say this, but give it a second before you start rolling.
I've talked to many grindcore bands (locally), and they all agree that grindcore uses many Jazz stlyed riffs and melodies.
Death/Jazz, pretty much. Cracks me up... but I do see it.

 

[_A_SCARLET_SUNSET_]

Originally posted by lord667


Crustcore is musically indentical to Grindcore. I think crust is used for left-wing political acts, as opposed to apolitical gore bands.

than bands like napalm death and anal cunt wud be crustcore... but those bands themselves say, that they're playing grindcore...

 

[AssholeGrindElitist]

REAL grindcore is MUCH more related to punk than metal, and I consider most actual grindcore bands punk bands, and most of thse bands, save perhaps Brutal Truth, identify themselves as punk bands. For a few examples of the types of bands I'm referring to here, listen to Excruciating Terror, Phobia, Extreme Noise Terror, Disrupt, Insect Warfare, Wormrot, Bloody Phoenix, Discordance Axis, and Assück (okay, assück do have a death metal aspect to their sound but they considered themselves fast hardcore.) Most "grind" today is actually lame mislabeled scene deathcore or glorified death metal. Napalm Death (sorry, Repulsion are not the originators of grindcore.) started as a straightforward hardcore punk band, and considered themselves a punk band up until Barney joined and they recorded Harmony Corruption. Scum and FETO are crust punk with the metronome turned up all the way. Also, the blasting is not from metal at all; the first blast beats recorded were on Asocial's (Asocial was a Swedish D-beat/hardcore punk band) demo tape. Blast beats are essentially the archetypal thrashcore (as in particularly fast hardcore, NOT crossover thrash) beat but about twice as fast. The only thing metal about real grindcore is the guitar TONE (not the actual guitar work itself) and the vocal style for SOME bands. Even Napalm Death used crust punk style vocals on Scum and FETO.

TL;DR grindcore is punk, and if you don't like that, punk off and die. and you need to listen to more punk like Siege and SOB, then you'll see where I'm coming from with this.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

^This guy. Pretty much everything I was going to say. People are easy to lump grindcore in with metal. The guitar tone and the founding bands have much more punk inspired riff-work if you listen closely. At its core, it's a much more amped up sub-genre of punk like crust, hardcore, etc.

Also take note that punk became a much more extreme genre of music before metal did. Metal wouldn't be extreme at all if it weren't for punk, in fact.

 

[Krow]

Ten year necro. I like "mislabeled death metal" grind. True grindcore bores me to tears.

 

[AssholeGrindElitist]

Also take note that punk became a much more extreme genre of music before metal did. Metal wouldn't be extreme at all if it weren't for punk, in fact.

THANK YOU. Fans of extreme metal who have no appreciation of punk (particularly hardcore punk) are idiots who don't understand the roots behind their music at all.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Also WAY ahead of its time. Death metal wasn't even an idea back then (ok, maybe exaggerating a little bit but that's besides the point).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWK1ty_eWM8

 

[AssholeGrindElitist]

Also WAY ahead of its time. Death metal wasn't even an idea back then (ok, maybe exaggerating a little bit but that's besides the point).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWK1ty_eWM8

Also true. And Anti-Cimex rules!

And also, everyone who IS down with real, punky grind needs to become familiar with the genre of Powerviolence if they are not already. Remove the already barely-there metal influence that grind has, add some crazy stop-and-start, alternating-glacial-and-light-speed song dynamics, and you've got powerviolence, for when hardcore just isn't fast enough. Also power electronics/noise is incorporated into a lot of powerviolence but it's not a necessity in pv.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Powerviolence rules. Some of it is a little generic and boring but it's definitely a sub-genre worth mentioning. I like Man is the Bastard, Capitalist Casualties, Charles Bronson, Infest, Spazz, and probably a few others I'm forgetting.

Also, I never understood why Despise You is lumped in with powerviolence. Good band nonetheless but they always seemed like straight-up grindcore to me with obnoxious female vocals (unfortunately making the band less good than they otherwise would be).

 

[Blind Guardian]

I like Anti Cimex's Scandinavian Jawbreaker album from 1993. It's actually a good alternative to most Entombed clones that were around back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAUR4CwQ2S8

 

[Manic Ferocity]

We should just turn this into a hardcore/crust/grind centric thread. This is one of my favorite 80s hardcore bands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPdAuIVQ4r0

Also, there are some great bands coming out of the Toronto area who play in that 80s "stompy" NY hardcore vein with some hints of Slapshot/DYS/Negative FX and general Boston hardcore influence. I love this stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08j9dl4kJLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8BiOvyNo9Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ8-OLhrhyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8aNaemN7ZM

 

[Spiderchrist]

Terrorizer's album World Downfall is the epitome of Grindcore. Crust vocals, hardcore riffs, and lots of blasting all mixed with a tiny bit of Death Metal.

 

[AssholeGrindElitist]

Powerviolence rules. Some of it is a little generic and boring but it's definitely a sub-genre worth mentioning. I like Man is the Bastard, Capitalist Casualties, Charles Bronson, Infest, Spazz, and probably a few others I'm forgetting.

Also, I never understood why Despise You is lumped in with powerviolence. Good band nonetheless but they always seemed like straight-up grindcore to me with obnoxious female vocals (unfortunately making the band less good than they otherwise would be).

All those bands shred! I've always thought DY were thought of as powerviolence just because they were just kinda into that whole west coast powerviolence California scene as far as the bands they played with. Some people consider Excruciating Terror powerviolence for that same reason (now that I REALLY don't get all all). Speaking of west coast powerviolence, I actually recently just acquired a copy of Trapped Inside by Lack of Interest, a first pressing from '98 on rare yellow vinyl; it's the gem of my tiny collection, hahaha. I actually got it on ebay from the bassist and owner/operator of Slap-A-Ham Chris Dodge, so that was pretty cool hahaha