Heavy metal vs Christianity, Heavy metal vs Islam
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The Greys said:
To be an informed person, and make your life richer and fuller. You should try it sometime....
Anyway, I don't think most metal bands care about making a political/religious stand as much as pissing off the 'rents. And Mummy and Daddy probably aren't Muslim.
Less specifically, metal bands want to rebel against mainstream culture. Nothing rebellious about putting down Islam; Pres. Bush and his cronies would be rocking out, high-fiving each other....
You'll see plenty of redneck bands bashing Islam, cuz they're rednecks, and Islam has it coming. But the darker, "sonic terrorist" type bands will be flirting more with jihadist imagery - THAT'S what pisses off mainstream America/the West....
It's funny how christians will use satanic killings against metal... but christians will not even talk about their crusades in their own sanctuary.
If one person kills someone metal is evil, but if a religious group kills people in the name of god it's ok in their eyes. All religions are like this.
What's the difference in satanic cults killing people or christians killing,etc... why is one right and one wrong.
If one person kills someone metal is evil, but if a religious group kills people in the name of god it's ok in their eyes. All religions are like this.
What's the difference in satanic cults killing people or christians killing,etc... why is one right and one wrong.
Carcassian
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I was beign facitious, mate. I dont know if they would react the same way or not.
But, yeah, if an anti-islam metal band decided to, say, butn down a mosque, I'd say they'd have a fight on their hands!
But, yeah, if an anti-islam metal band decided to, say, butn down a mosque, I'd say they'd have a fight on their hands!
Kenneth R.
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It's absurd to think that metal and Christianity are inherently opposed. People oppose whatever they choose, and use whatever mediums convenient to do so. Does the color red hate the color blue! OH I BET IT DOES. 
I'll revisit this later but the immediate thing that comes to my mind about this subject:
I believe the reason "religion" (more specifically "Christians") are attacked quite a bit by metal bands (mostly of the death/black genre) is because of a skewed and uneducated definition of what a "Christian" is.
You bet religion/Christians are an easy target, especially if your definition of them is defined by the finger pointing, hypocritical, holier than thou, headline making preachers and churches. The sad news is, they in no way define who and what a true Christian is supposed to be. They make me sick to no end with their views because they aren't Bible based, quite the opposite. Period. Sadly, that's who end up representing "religion" and "Christians" as a whole. So in my opinion, when bands do this (attack religion, etc.), they are no better than the subjects they are attacking. It's a whole big hypocritical stew, yummy.
It's no secret that people know I am a Christian. I love everything from Fifth Angel, Malice, Priest, Dokken to King Diamond, Testament, etc etc etc. I've been into Metal since I was 14-ish (going on 35 now) and I've seen all there is to see with what comes with this form of music. I think half the reason Metal gets the bad rap from the "uneducated" sector of Christians is they are judging it from the same point of view as the Black Metal bands, etc. - the skewed and uneducated way. "Ozzy bit the head off a bat, Priest made a guy kill himself, KISS has backward messages! Oh my, Metal is Satan's wormhole!"
I don't judge people who aren't Christian by that alone, and I have no desire to force anything down peoples throats. It's too bad the feeling isn't mutual many times, such as the point of view that, "Oh my you can't mix God and Metal, it's not natural, an oxymoron!" - ugh, that comment alone that I've seen so many times just makes me want to rip peoples heads off (in a kind, loving, Christian kind of way of course ).
I believe the reason "religion" (more specifically "Christians") are attacked quite a bit by metal bands (mostly of the death/black genre) is because of a skewed and uneducated definition of what a "Christian" is.
You bet religion/Christians are an easy target, especially if your definition of them is defined by the finger pointing, hypocritical, holier than thou, headline making preachers and churches. The sad news is, they in no way define who and what a true Christian is supposed to be. They make me sick to no end with their views because they aren't Bible based, quite the opposite. Period. Sadly, that's who end up representing "religion" and "Christians" as a whole. So in my opinion, when bands do this (attack religion, etc.), they are no better than the subjects they are attacking. It's a whole big hypocritical stew, yummy.
It's no secret that people know I am a Christian. I love everything from Fifth Angel, Malice, Priest, Dokken to King Diamond, Testament, etc etc etc. I've been into Metal since I was 14-ish (going on 35 now) and I've seen all there is to see with what comes with this form of music. I think half the reason Metal gets the bad rap from the "uneducated" sector of Christians is they are judging it from the same point of view as the Black Metal bands, etc. - the skewed and uneducated way. "Ozzy bit the head off a bat, Priest made a guy kill himself, KISS has backward messages! Oh my, Metal is Satan's wormhole!"
I don't judge people who aren't Christian by that alone, and I have no desire to force anything down peoples throats. It's too bad the feeling isn't mutual many times, such as the point of view that, "Oh my you can't mix God and Metal, it's not natural, an oxymoron!" - ugh, that comment alone that I've seen so many times just makes me want to rip peoples heads off (in a kind, loving, Christian kind of way of course
).Jim LotFP said:
Interesting questions actually.
1. One's choice on religion depends. One will follow a religion earlier if their family subscribes to it. But, some are more religious in nature than others and tend to live (or cling) on its doctrines and/or deities. Some just go to church or say they're a part of the religion but they dont actually take it seriously in their lives.
2. Metal targets Christianity for the following:
1) As a criticism of modern western society as a whole. Taking subject matter like death, disorder and evil because it has been completely suppressed and avoided.
2) Question the idea of religion and divinity in the first place like Slayer and Morbid Angel for example.
3) Simply as a gimmick/joke like Venom.
4) Because they are truely anti-Christian like the Black Metal starters.
3. I disagree, metal doesnt oppose Islam as much as Christianity because it is not a foundation of western society as much as Christianity. Some Black Metal groups truely against Christianity may criticize Islam also because it is related to Judeo-Christianity but they divided earlier. They're both related because they're monotheist and dualistic and what not. The presence of Islam hasnt been looked at much in the mainstream until 9-11 hit.
4. Maybe anti-Islam will come up in the States but I am not sure about Scandanavia. I think they will just continue to be more hostile towards Christianity.
5/6. I imagine anti-Islam bands will face more hostility knowing how aggressive Islams are compared to just how passive Christians are.
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Rotting Mohammed.8. No.
9. No.
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MURAI said:
thats it right there. If Islam ran through Europe 1000+ years ago THEN it would be the other way around.
They are both the scourge of the planet though.
Carcassian
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Hamock said:
You realise, of course, that this reply marks you as an absolute ?
*** Edited, as I have obviously missed the sarcastic humour ***
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