How old were you when you started smoking ?.

Oh yeah let me just use all the public transit options available to me. Like uh... Hmm... Well... Oh- wait. There ARE NO public transit options here, fuckface. Not everyone lives in the fucking city.

And your argument is made even more pathetic by the fact that no one has ever "needed" to smoke.
 
But I travel across Europa on a regular basis.

Oh yeah let me just use all the public transit options available to me. Like uh... Hmm... Well... Oh- wait. There ARE NO public transit options here, fuckface. Not everyone lives in the fucking city.

And your argument is made even more pathetic by the fact that no one has ever "needed" to smoke.

Shit, what the bloody hell ruffled your feathers, boy?

I never claimed anyone needed to smoke, I just said that you if you can't put up with some puffs of smoke for a few hours the times you insist on going out to bars, etc, you're a fucking wimp. The point stands, just like the fact that cars are more harmful than cigarettes.
 
Shit, what the bloody hell ruffled your feathers, boy?

How about "Hillbilly", for starters?

I never claimed anyone needed to smoke, I just said that you if you can't put up with some puffs of smoke for a few hours the times you insist on going out to bars, etc, you're a fucking wimp. The point stands, just like the fact that cars are more harmful than cigarettes.

No one is even suggesting that cars aren't more harmful than cigarettes. The point is that cars serve an important purpose and cigarettes do not.

I don't care that other people smoke. Other people want to kill themselves, fine. But the never ending insistence by smokers that it shouldn't bother non-smokers is absurd. I've lived with smokets for my entire life and it still bothers me. For the record, I DO put up with people smoking in bars. However, why the hell should I even have to? You have an dirty and offensive habit, so I have to deal with it? Fuck you.

Maybe next time I'm sitting in a bar I'll whip out my dick and start snapping it right there. Sure there is absolutley no real reason for it, but it's not hurting anyone else, right? And if it does bother them, who cares!?! They're wimps for not wanting to put up with it!
 
Awwwwwww... I'm sorry! If you knew anything about me, though, you'd know that I was raised in a hunters settlement in mid-Norway with about fifty inhabitants. Hardly 'urban'! :D

I don't smoke. However, smoking, consuming alcohol, div harmful shit are integral parts of night-life and have been for hundreds of years. But suddenly, men all over the world are turning into women and crying about 'rights' and what's 'fair'. And if they don't get it their way, they throw tantrums! Seriously, just get used to it.

And cigarettes are such a integrated part of our society/mentality that comparing it to flopping your wiener around is hardly a fair comparison. It's not offensive, unless you're a giant wuss.
 
That's right. I never knew a guy who could boast a pair of nuts (that I knew of ahem ahem) who would sit in a club and whine over how much the puffs of cigarette smoke bothered them.
 
Metal clubs are AWESOME! We have only have one left in Oslo dedicated solely to metal, though, which is a shame. We used to have like five of them. Cheap beer, fine women, good clientèle and good music! In restaurants, I can agree, though I don't particularly care personally.
 
Case in point, Dave. :)

I don't have any problem really with bars allowing smoking, since that is pretty much a given. And I don't have a problem with places having designated smoking areas. But I don't think that people should have to be subjected to second hand smoke if they don't want to. And calling these types of people giant wusses is still retarded and I sincerely hope that that was highly tongue in cheek.

Yeah, but you can't force the private business owner to make their establishment non-smoking. That isn't ethical. The state shouldn't decide which establishments should be smoking or non-smoking, it should be up to the establishments themselves.
 
^Well said.

I don't have any problem really with bars allowing smoking, since that is pretty much a given. And I don't have a problem with places having designated smoking areas. But I don't think that people should have to be subjected to second hand smoke if they don't want to. And calling these types of people giant wusses is still retarded and I sincerely hope that that was highly tongue in cheek.

Well, quite frankly, being bothered by something as inconsequential as second-hand smoking at bars, and whining about it, is something I consider to be very unmanly. To be quite honest, the more time I kill around this forum, the more I start to wonder whether there actually are some cultural differences, where I previously thought there to be none.
 
If I go to a bar, I expect people to be smoking. People here in Cincinnati have taken the liberty to start smoking in bars again (at least out in the suburbs). No one here gives a shit, really.
 
Honestly, my views on manliness have nothing to do with 'beating your chest'. It's pretty much limited to:

take care of your family
have an honest job
don't complain over trifles, because, guess what, the world sucks for the rest of us, too
don't be emo

hardly 'you have to be a Conan RAAAWWWWRRRR!!'
 
Read a book
Watch TV
Chat
Go out to eat
Exercise

I do all these things in addition to smoking, so fuck off. It's a fantastic stimulant in social settings (here in Michigan we're aware of the bleakness in the world, so we're not self-righteous yuppie pricks when it comes to a little smoke) and it does indeed relieve stress through stimulation. If done in moderation, it's still bad for you, of course, but not as bad as having no discipline and smoking 2 entire packs a day. Stop bitching.
 
i've been smoking on and off since age of 11 if I'm correct. Was never a chain smoker though. Mostly smoke when I drink or stressed out at work. Don't even buy packs anymore. Just bum a cig here or there from a co worker once in a blue moon.
 
second hand smoke is bad for everyone, thats why they ban that shit.
you wanna hurt yourself, go ahead. but when smoking you hurt everyone else too.

that and I hate smelling like shit, and my eyes are dry enough as it is. Walk out of a bar having red as fuck eyes sucks.
 
Well, quite frankly, being bothered by something as inconsequential as second-hand smoking at bars, and whining about it, is something I consider to be very unmanly. To be quite honest, the more time I kill around this forum, the more I start to wonder whether there actually are some cultural differences, where I previously thought there to be none.

How is it unmanly to not want to inhale smoke? It's disgusting and- oh yeah- it's poison. I don't "whine" about anyone's second hand smoke. I move away from it, and that's that. What I can't stand is shit heads like you who think that it's "unmanly" to prefer to feel comfortable. Your "giant wuss" argument is a fucking farce, by the way.

I know you don't smoke, but your opinion reflects that of smokers, who seems to not understand that non smokers don't fucking want to breath in smoke. That's why we don't it, and they act all persecuted when we complain. It's absolutley absurd that smokers act like we're being unreasonable when we don't want to inhale your smoke. That's addiction for you. Just keep doing it and deny that it bothers other people.
 
^
No one's forcing you to do anything. No one says 'go to a bar with smokers, or else'. Just go somewhere without smokers. It's not that hard, but I suppose that out there in hick-land, the options aren't too numerous, huh? Seriously, at least form a coherent argument before bothering me with your juvenile nonsense again.

And you might feel differently about the 'wuss argument' when your balls finally drop.

But then again I'm not a proud Norwegian, just an uncultured American teen with a babysitter government that doesn't know any better.

Ahahahahahaha!

As for the rest... I suppose this is what I mentioned earlier. you have your views on the world, and I have mine. They're pretty irreconcilable, I think. That you can live your life in a world where gender roles blur like that, I can't even imagine.

Oh yeah, and breathing in second hand smoke those few hours a month when you're at a bar or pub, that IS A TRIFLE.