I bought a gun today.

[J.DavisNJ]

I am just baffled at the fact if someone breaks into your home in Europe and whatever transpires you end up shooting them, YOU go to jail. Fucking absolutely god damn retarded.

Baseball bats and alarm systems are great, unless the person breaking in doesn't give a fuck about those things - which a lot of criminals don't. But you show me one person who isn't afraid to get shot and I'll give you a bazillion dollars.



Cool, you have fun getting within a few feet of someone trying to rob your ass in order to stab them...

But dude, don't you realize that:

-He may be a poor, defenseless addict, simply trying to fund his addiction. Poor guy.
-Might be down on his luck and have a family to feed. Poor guy.
-In a moment of weakness, decided to turn to criminal behavior. Can't blame him, eh?
-Maybe he just lost his job and it's his daughter's birthday? :-o

Oh woops, sorry...I keed I keed.

There are situations where a gunwould be necessary. I for one wouldn't shoot the minute I saw the intruder. If he is unarmed, then surely I would not. If I KNOW my life is in danger, well, that's another story. Each situation is different.

Joe

 

[midget donkeys]

This whole pro gun/anti gun arugment is because of cultural differences. Once again I need to be the sensitive voice of reason...

You see German people wouldn't want anyone to have fire arms because that would make it harder to herd them into ovens.

And for the people in the UK that oppose gun ownership, they are obviously part of a red coat plot to finish the war of 1812.

Now if you please excuse me I need to go clean the anti-aircraft gun I keep mounted on the back of my huge gas guzzling pickup truck.

 

[Mago]

I quite understand why people would want a gun for their home, but personally I don't think I would feel safer having one in my flat.
My flat is on the first floor, so I don't have my windows open when I'm not in the room + there have been quite a lot of break-ins in my area (the district I live in isn't exactly "noble", still far from beeing bad), my neighbor got robbed 2 times, both during daytime, once through the window and once trough the door.
I feel 1000x safer with a security door (try to open that fucker bitch ) than with a gun under my pillow.

It's nothing wrong that US citizen take their rights and have a gun at home if they're allowed to.
But it doesn't makes sense for me to have a gun at home for protection if you don't have FAST access to it when you need it, because you also have to have it locked up if you want to be safe in your own house.

Dunno how it's over here if you shoot someone who breaks into your home tough, but I guess you go to jail for it because there's no need to shoot someone who isn't a threat to you. So you can only shoot if he has a weapon too and you need to defend yourself...makes sense to me, but is a bit fucked up at the same time too.
I don't feel to need to kill someone because he "just" breaks into my home bh, just the need to welcome him in a world of pain
Well, at least until it's not an 2,20m 140kg Klitschko clone

 

[J.DavisNJ]

I quite understand why people would want a gun for their home, but personally I don't think I would feel safer having one in my flat.
My flat is on the first floor, so I don't have my windows open when I'm not in the room + there have been quite a lot of break-ins in my area (the district I live in isn't exactly "noble", still far from beeing bad), my neighbor got robbed 2 times, both during daytime, once through the window and once trough the door.
I feel 1000x safer with a security door (try to open that fucker bitch ) than with a gun under my pillow.

It's nothing wrong that US citizen take their rights and have a gun at home if they're allowed to.
But it doesn't makes sense for me to have a gun at home for protection if you don't have FAST access to it when you need it, because you also have to have it locked up if you want to be safe in your own house.

Dunno how it's over here if you shoot someone who breaks into your home tough, but I guess you go to jail for it because there's no need to shoot someone who isn't a threat to you. So you can only shoot if he has a weapon too and you need to defend yourself...makes sense to me, but is a bit fucked up at the same time too.
I don't feel to need to kill someone because he "just" breaks into my home bh, just the need to welcome him in a world of pain
Well, at least until it's not an 2,20m 140kg Klitschko clone

Whoa.

Are you suuuuure you're European?



Joe

 

[AudioPhile777]

Most people who don't like, or are even afraid of, guns is because they have no experience with one. Once you realized its a tool and it isn't dangerous on its own, it becomes a completely different situation.

The thing is, i'm always at my studio, and i can't set my alarm while i'm inside because of my motion detectors, as well as bands going in and out throughout the night. I figure the alarm protects my stuff while im gone, and my gun protects me while i'm here.
I'm just lookin' out for me 'n mine

Sounds like you need a better alarm system/company (or maybe need to rtfm?)... I can disable my motion sensors from the control panel... you should be able to as well.

 

[James-Doolan]

Well in Ireland we have recently changed the law to offer greater protection to homeowners

"In 2009, The Republic of Ireland government announced its plan to introduce a new law of self defence in 2010 upon recommendation by the Law Reform Commission which would allow a householder to kill in certain circumstances, if defending themselves, their family or their home. This has become known colloquially as Nally's law since the case prompted the Commission to review law.[14] There are 25,000 burglaries in Ireland every year and more than 15,000 burglaries each year occur when the victim is at home"

It still means that your responce has to be porportonate to the threat i.e you still cant shoot someone for starting a fight in your home. Also your not likly to be shooting anyone anyways as guns are extremly restrected here only farmers drug dealers and the army have any.

Also not all of europe has restricted gun laws Switzerland has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world.

 

[Boerboel666]

I am just baffled at the fact if someone breaks into your home in Europe and whatever transpires you end up shooting them, YOU go to jail. .

Hopefully this will be changing in the UK soon . The new government have promised to review the Law . At the moment a burglar can sue a house owner if he/she get's injured for any number of reasons . I don't advocate blindly killing trespassers though ! But if your life is in jeopardy there should be no limit to the force used .

 

[RockGuitarX]

But dude, don't you realize that:

-He may be a poor, defenseless addict, simply trying to fund his addiction. Poor guy.
-Might be down on his luck and have a family to feed. Poor guy.
-In a moment of weakness, decided to turn to criminal behavior. Can't blame him, eh?
-Maybe he just lost his job and it's his daughter's birthday? :-o

Oh woops, sorry...I keed I keed.

There are situations where a gunwould be necessary. I for one wouldn't shoot the minute I saw the intruder. If he is unarmed, then surely I would not. If I KNOW my life is in danger, well, that's another story. Each situation is different.

Joe

Oh sry can I chime in Joe...? I'm from Texas y'all and I own lots of gunz and drinks a lots of beers and have no edumacation.

On a serious note, I own a .38 and hope to never use it but it's there in case something stupid should ever happen.

 

[J.DavisNJ]

Brian, pic of mine that I couldn't post earlier at work:

Joe

 

[Harry Hughes]

Makes me wonder why not more homes and studios are designed in mind to be more theft deterrent.
I know that with the house I currently live in, unless one is willing to literally bash down the front door, by which time someone who lives nearby is gonna be wondering what the fuck is up, you're not really gonna get inside here and be getting away with anything.
I think it seriously makes sense that when you go to a house or studio built, to carefully consider having minimal obvious access points for a burglar
If the only real access point is the front door, they're seriously gonna think twice, because I can't imagine anyone is going to go to the effort of bringing a battering ram to destroy the door.

 

[brianhood]

Brian, pic of mine that I couldn't post earlier at work:

Joe

nice dude!


A lot of nice arguments on both sides here. Definitely some stuff to think on, but still doesn't change the fact that i feel safer knowing i have a defense in case the shit hits the fan


As far as using a knife as self defense, i could never, ever stab someone. It seems way too personal; you have to feel the knife slide through flesh and bone while pretty much right on top of the other person. A gun is just point and shoot, without the same "personal" feeling. I know neither are very nice things to do to someone, but a gun is something i could use if i absolutely needed to. A knife is not

 

[Torniojaws]

I am just baffled at the fact if someone breaks into your home in Europe and whatever transpires you end up shooting them, YOU go to jail. Fucking absolutely god damn retarded.

- No one will miss a criminal that... disappears
- Long-distances between homes
- Lots of generally unwalked terrain


...just saying.

 

[DanLights]

+1 very nice idea... hahaha

Very saw-ish I would say hahaha

 

[ratsapprentice]

As far as using a knife as self defense, i could never, ever stab someone. It seems way too personal; you have to feel the knife slide through flesh and bone while pretty much right on top of the other person. A gun is just point and shoot, without the same "personal" feeling. I know neither are very nice things to do to someone, but a gun is something i could use if i absolutely needed to. A knife is not

Assuming the person is in your studio when you shoot them, they will be no more that what, 20 feet from you?
Saying that shooting someone that close is not personal is ridiculous.
Military and police personnel who have been trained and conditioned into being able to shoot and kill people often find that when push comes to shove it is a very difficult thing to do.
But then again you never know until it happens.
It's something I have often wondered if I would be able to do.
I had planned to join the Royal Marines when I left school(and still do at some point)
And have always thought that I would be able to, but it's easy to genuinely believe that in your head.

 

[Skinny Viking]

- No one will miss a criminal that... disappears
- Long-distances between homes
- Lots of generally unwalked terrain


...just saying.

Hail Finland!

 

[El_Gato]

Makes me wonder why not more homes and studios are designed in mind to be more theft deterrent.
I know that with the house I currently live in, unless one is willing to literally bash down the front door, by which time someone who lives nearby is gonna be wondering what the fuck is up, you're not really gonna get inside here and be getting away with anything.
I think it seriously makes sense that when you go to a house or studio built, to carefully consider having minimal obvious access points for a burglar
If the only real access point is the front door, they're seriously gonna think twice, because I can't imagine anyone is going to go to the effort of bringing a battering ram to destroy the door.

+1. You wouldn't notice the break-in if you're tracking/mixing anyway. I'd feel safer with security doors/windows.

 

[GarethSE]

what weirds me out more than the self protection aspect of it is the way many americans fetishize guns
they are tools purpose built for taking the life of another living creature and thus should be treated with vast amounts of respect

 

[Skinny Viking]

what weirds me out more than the self protection aspect of it is the way many americans fetishize guns

I think there's a fair amount of stereotyping in this statement

 

[GarethSE]

Maybe to an extent, but the fact that joe posts a picture of a potentially lethal weapon and some dude goes "Nice!!" is somewhat off-putting.

 

[Skinny Viking]

Maybe to an extent, but the fact that joe posts a picture of a potentially lethal weapon and some dude goes "Nice!!" is somewhat off-putting.

I see what you're getting at ... I'm not trying to speak for anyone else, just giving my own opinion but I took it as he was commenting on the aesthetics of the gun ... craftsmanship, design, quality, etc ... as opposed to "nice! that'll really blow a big fuckin hole in someone!"