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valanx

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..........But im getting fuckin' plastered tonight, breaking out the guitar and cranking up some serious saXon !!!!!!!!! Im trying to persuade me girlfriend who used to do vocals in my band to do "dogs of war" with me :Spin:

Have a good weekend all !
Now let the beer flow dammit :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
Mr Crusader - Sounds like you are off to a place where the female populace produce visual stimualtion! I don't really mind about the music, honestly! Can I come with you!!!!!??
Valanx - sounds like you're in for a great night! Regarding your lady singing - Don't get too forceful. Just try and keep her happy with loads of compliments and I'm sure all your objectives will be reached, if you know what I mean?

Anyhoo - I hope the neighbours get to hear you riffing to some classic Saxon stuff! You have gotta do the riff to 'Dallas 1pm'!

On another note, Valanx - how about giving us some more details on your band and such? What is the band doing now? Is this how you met your lady and why did she leave etc?

Anyhow - I hope the amplifier survives and you don't have the neighbours banging on the door! Just keep Rockin'!!
 
Nice one, Mr Paxo - were these guys any good?

I'm always a bit hesitant when it comes to tribute bands.
As long as the tribute act do not try to 'look' like the famous counterparts, I'm willing to give 'em a try.
I almost went to an AC/DC tribute act here in Cheltenham the other week, but the timing was wrong for me. The last tribute act I saw was a Pink Floyd act - Welcome To The Machine. It was OK but not exactly awe-inspiring. But, credit to the band - they had a lot of technical difficulties that night.
 
nightwar - Yeah Ironically Maiden were really good. I have seen them before, and in fact am going to see them at the Witchwood next Saturday! I've seen loads of tribute bands, and I can't say that I have seen any that have been crap. All have been very good, and some excellent.
 
Ironically Maiden, thats actually quite a cool name!!

Yea - nightwar 'dallas' is actually one of those great riffs that ive never considered playing before, there are so many by saXon to choose from i guess

But i was listening to it yesterday (i mustn't of heard the song for so long) and i was like yeah that rules, i really like the new beefed up version on HMT.

Was cool actually on friday, had a good sesh! wrote a new song (funny how easy that sort of thing comes easy when your drunk lol)

I guess with my band.... its like right now i do not feel like im really in a band, back in 2001 is pretty much when it ended (various reasons, id prolly be here all day typing lol) a few months ago it became unbearable how much i missed doing my music etc. (i know that might sound cheesy) so i picked up my axe again and basically carried on where i left off, all along the way trying to encourage my girlfriend to sing again (was not easy) The band was called "Morticia's Kiss" but now this project will be called "Lady Snowblood"

Now this back room im in is a glorious site!!! amp, keyboard, guitars, vocal and guitar fx (hooked up to my pc) its such a mess.....it looks cool! and im using the awesome 'Adobe Audition' and i have just got 'Cakewalk Sonar' seriously planning to get a demo made asap! its so awesome using a pc as a mutitrack (up to 128 tracks on AA) what you hear is whats recorded and then you can play with each recorded track for hours!!! (its pretty new stuff to me)

All our former material was of our own writing however, we only intend to use and record 3 of the songs we used to play (obviously the best 3!) and were working on a couple of new tunes, im hoping for 5 original tunes and maybe 1 cover

I guess the main problem now is that we have no drummer and no bassist, but were making real progress without them this time lol... drum machine software and keyboards etc. they do as they are told!!!

In about 3 or 4 hours yesterday, got 40seconds done!! on 6 tracks tho!

Im planning a website very soon from where the demo (eventually!) will be freely available, il also put up some older recordings from cassette's in the mean time.

Il let you guys know the progress of that and hopefully if you are interested you can check it out! that would be cool !

Anyway, i know that was a bit of a ramble! so thanks for your time
 
Valanx - Ramble or whatever you wanna call it, it was good to read!
I would love to get involved in a band again, simply because of what you described - the technology is there! When I was playing, digital recording was just about coming in and the only way you could properly record your band was paying a small fortune to some bloke that had a studio out in the countryside!
If you weren't located too far away, I would happily be your bass player. It has never been my first instrument of choice, but I've a bass and have played a little in the past. I've always kept it simple and straight (unlike my favouirite bass player, Geddy Lee).
Let us know how you get on and tell us when you get a site up and running.
 
Thanks for the encouraging words nightwar mate, its appreciated! at some point were gonna need someone on bass but we are up on the wirral in merseyside, im thinking thats some distance away from you? although i never did pass geography!

I hear you on the recording side of things, im still in awe of what is possible nowadays, like me a coupla years ago, practically all we could manage was to record ourselves onto cassette deck with mic's (that stuff really has to be heard to be believed lol!) and now the production options are pretty much endless, and thats without dodgy blokes in the countryside too !!!

Anyway the website is coming along quite nicely so far, a couple of pages done and im hoping to at least get the basic pages up very soon (pics, info etc) prolly just be on a geoshities account until i can sort something out properly when it (eventually) comes to putting the music up there!

Hopefully soon il be able to post a link so you can all come laugh at the pictures im planning to put up!!!
 
I hate to say that you're correct on your Geography, Valanx - you are quite a journey from me. Bummer!
Mind you - the way affordable technology is going, I can't see why people like us can't solve this problem in the near future. Your home studio, for example, should be able to transfer your music files over to my home studio (if I had one, that is!) and I could add and mix and send it back to you!

I can really relate to you about recording on tapes and stuff. I can remember the days when we needed to have the tape recorder miles away from the actual band so the singer could be heard. This was because we didn't have a vocal mike!!
When we did get a PA system, things were obvioulsy easier to record, but you would never be happy with the sound. Mind you - when we used a mobile studio bloke - We did a couple of demo tapes and thought we may have just as well recorded live in a hall - the producer (can I call him that?!!)was bloody crap!! Although, the weirdo in the countryside did know his stuff and we got a couple of respectable demo tapes done.
I reckon you ought to get the site put up ASAP, Valanx - even if you can't provide the music, you have a possibility of building intrigue and anticipation for it when it comes. You can be assured that you will get more hits this way than if you go online only when the music files are available!
Anyhoo - just get those bloody photos put on line, will ya!! It'll be great fun to see! HA!!!
 
Yeah the tape recorder mic !!!!
"....you stand there so we can get the drums, il stand here.....no il stand there and lower my amp abit and you stand there and no wait a min, il stand.......aww shit it sounds awful!!! ok i know, you stand there so we can get the vocals, il stand here.....no il stand there....... "
Those were the days alright !!!

For your demo's nightwar how many songs did you do? what do you think is a good number? also how about some info on your band ?

Thanks for the suggestion about the website it really makes alot of sense, i wasnt sure which way to go on when to put something up, now you've made my decision for me! im hoping to get something up by the weekend if i can find the time.
 
Valanx - Yeah! The Tape Recorder Mic! HA! You understand where I'm coming from!
The best part of that kind of recording was that you would need to rehearse, rehearse and rehearse the song, because band members would be in different rooms and stuff when recording it, so all you could hear was your part!! Hilarious stuff!
Mind you, I think I would prefer the more organised method with a PC home studio these days!!!!

Regarding the demos - well, I suppose it is different for everyone, but we tended to do 3 songs on each demo tape. These songs had obviously been rehearsed and played live for quite some time, so we only needed a day (approx 12hrs) to record them. We would then use a 2nd day to put any overdubs on and do the mixing.
After a while, we gained a huge amount of material but, I must admit, we never really argued about the selection to record. There was a few disagreements, but we would always manage to find some material that all the members enjoyed playing.
I think the most important thing is to record material that you all are really familiar with so that you spend a minimal amount of time actually performing it for the recording. You will then have the foundation of the song down and can get more creative with any new ideas in the later process.
We tended to perform the songs live and just record the Bass and drums. Then we would shove the guitars on. The final part of recording was always the vocals - generally because they were the quickest and easiest part of the process.
On some of our stuff, I did the vocals in one take. There was always some little thing that I was not quite happy with, but you would take forever if you never said 'enough'. Generally, I would say my vocals were done in a few takes - usually done by keeping the original stuff and droppiing into the song for bits that were not quite right.
I always had a bit of a belief in the phrase, 'We'll fix that in the mix'! I think as long as you got the percussion and bass down, you could do it this way.

I also think three songs for a demo was chosen because we wanted to perform across the board of our material. We wanted a pretty heavy song, a more emotional, soft song and then a something that was kind of fun to play. Of course, this tactic kind of dictated the band's discussions and objectives on what songs to play - sometimes wanting do another track but felt it was too simliar to another chosen one etc.

Well, sorry I'm babbling, but that's what happens when I think about my band days!!

As for the actual band - well me and my best friend started it for a laugh when we were 11 years old. We could not play and had no money for proper equipment. But we called ourselfs a band and got stuck in! Him on a couple of drums and some cardboard boxes and me on a cheap, catalogue-bought acoustic guitar!
Other kids came and went, trying to be singers and bass players!
Playing a few instrumentals at the School Xmas party was a highlight!
Eventually, things turned more serious. It was about the same time we left school and we realised that we had actually become pretty good musicians!
A guy that played guitar really well joined and seemed to stick with us. We played for a couple of more years and, at long last, we found a guy that was happy to play bass! We had just about everything to start practising for gigs but no singer!
I think it was then we chose a name for the band that stuck: 'Room 101'
Of course, that is how I got the job! I ended up not just writing most of the songs, but also the lyrics because I had to sing them!
Once we got a decent sized setlist of our own material we started gigging. The money we got for the gigs went towards studiotime for the demos.
After a couple of more years, a couple of the members fancied trying a different sound. I had no problems with this, as I thought we needed a fresh face to add some life to things.
It was then that we decided to let a lady join the band...
After about a year, we had split up!
But that, if you want me to bore you more, is another story!!!
 
Now that was some fascinating reading nightwar, and some great tips and advice in there which i really do appreciate! Thanks man!

Fancy ending the tale in such a way!! talk about a cliffhanger.........so come on???, i've encountered problems in the past (nothing major) because our singer was a girl and also 'my' girlfriend. Girls have a natural way of causing so many.. lets say 'interesting' situations!

Thanks again that was an great read. Btw did u see the link i sent you?
progress on the site was slowed down due to alcohol :loco: but it is getting there, the other night we did a 'photo session' lol with pretty amusing results, so ive got like 60 or so pics, the best of which i will be editing with photo shop to make them look more 'professional'
 
Valanx - no probs, Mate. But I'm really interested to know how it went with your female contribution. I was lucky enough that my Girlfriends during the time were quite happy to hang out at rehearsals (they were banned during recording!) and bring their mates to gigs and such. And, I have to say, that I had a couple of really cool girlfriends when I was in the band - no hassle, no jealsousy and supportive!
Macc - I'm sure your situation mirrors mine to a degree. Let us guys know what happened, yeah?
What happened with Room 101:
As I said, we were kind of looking for a fresh sound. We all decided that perhaps a female vocalist was the answer - it would add more melody and such to our current material and we would be able to be more varied for new material. I think we were probably lacking melody at the time, so having a female voice appeared to be the key.
We decided on a nice, blonde lady that was a teacher. She was a little milder in her musical tastes than a few of us, but as we were looking for inspiration, we thought her more middle-of-the-road preferances would be good for the band.
I must admit, we both hit it off on a vocal level. I think this was because I was always very easy going and happy to adjust. It wasn't too long until we had harmonies and stuff sorted out on the older material. I was also happy for her to do some lead vocals on some of the old stuff to add that freshness.
We started writing new material with the mind that there were now two vocalists. It was nice to have someone else writing the lyrics and gving me inspiration for my own.
Our songs were leaning towards more melody and friendliness. Where it took a few listens to really 'get' our music before, the new material had a more immediate feel. There was less of the intrinsic, personal feeling vibe. The newer material was more upfront, easy to understand and, I suppose, 'catchy' on an immediate level.
This was a good thing if we wanted to do anything serious during the early nineties.
But, it was at that stage, that I had the horrendous words 'Deacon Blue' stirring in my mind!
We started gigging more regularly (she gave us some disipline!) and our setlist became more varied and, therefore, more fun to play live.
We then went on to make a couple of more demo tapes. But, at the time, I felt that the members, although more casual and experienced, were not enjoying it as much as previous times. We spent more time on the vocals (for the harmonies) and everything seemed a little more serious, although the songs themeselves were less personal and more listener-friendly.
Also, the demo tapes did not come out as half as good as the previous ones.
Shortly, I felt a tension building within certain members of the band.

Rehearsals began to feel more and more like chores and not fun. During the old days, everyone seemed happy to contribute and have their say. This had changed to members simply acting on their duties within the band (ie: a drummer drums, a guitarist plays guitar etc.)

I think the breaking point for the band was during a gig that we did on a regular basis in Cheltenham. The room where we played during this gig always had had bad acoustics, but we had never let it get to us and always forgot about it after a song or two. Also, none of our regulars ever complained about our gig at this place. In fact, they loved it!
Anyway, whilst setting up and getting ready for a very quick sound check, our female vocalist said the ultimate sin towards our drummer. Now, remember, Jason was the guy that originally set the band up with me and was an absolutely brilliant percussionist. Even now, I still think he is the best drummer in the county and I have not played with such a great drummer since! He was also a fundamental part of the band, as in he said what was good and bad (and you believed him) and he added a huge amount of humour to the band. Also, his style added a huge amount to all our songs.
The words our female vocalist said was: 'Can you play more quietly. I can't hear myself. Try and play quieter!'

I think that was the moment my band split up.
I had been quiet used to singing live, fighting over the volume of the others. It was part of the fun! Of course, something would have to be said if someone was obviously too loud but these things were always 'discussed' and not 'ordered', you know?

Anyhow, it was not too long after this that, I think, everyone knew that they were no longer having a good time playing in the band. We ended up having a meeting and agreeing that we would keep going, but I feel that the tensions had grown to incurable resent. The whole band kind of fizzled out. Rehearsals were never arranged and the rest of the destruction followed.

Anyhoo, enough of my tale. If you're interested I will say why I feel things did not work out with a female in the band, but I think I've been boring you for enough time now!!!
 
Not boring at all mate, quite the opposite!
In a way after reading that, my thoughts are on were we went wrong ourselves, ive never really confronted it so to speak...one week we were all there and the next not! but its never as simple as that.

Being at the beggining of something new i feel now i really should realise what went wrong last time....for obvious reasons lol

Funny really, im no singer but for the demo i really want to contribute on the vocal side, my girlfriend well, when i suggested singing a part of one of our songs, she was like "hmm if you want we could try it but i never liked those words and thought the song would better without them" lol, its only the intro to the chorus (and the name of the song!!) maybe il start with backing vocals or even the odd growl !

I have to say though she does know what she is talking about and her lyrics are wonderful 90% of our lyrical material has been written by her.

Be interested in your story macc, its amazing what you can learn from someone elses experiences and i appreciate you guys and your input here!

Nightwar- did that link work? it was only one page. Ive been really busy but its coming together slowly