If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Dak]

While there may be a physical difference, the moral difference between two such people is indistinguishable. You may conflate individual contribution with human worth, but this is the same fundamental issue that mankind has faced since day one. I also think that your logic is backwards: ideals should come before practicality, otherwise you are aiming for underachievement.

What is "human worth"? Some sort of metric based on the ability to breath, eat, and shit?

 

[EternalMetal]

Nothing against teachers, but being a combat trained service member does nothing for your professional life. My 4.5 years mean literally nothing to the outside world, except Obama gave employers a tax credit for hiring vets. If you teach in a shit area for 4.5 years, it's not going to be looked at as an indifferent or negative choice but the opposite IMO.

Law enforcement? Also I think many employers look fondly on the types of values and discipline one learns when in the military. Or perhaps maybe you should have done more for advancement rather than just be another combat scrub? Idk, I cant see this as a net neutral thing to put on a resume at all.

I think we over estimate how the military is different because there isn't forced service and again how much 'forced' voluntarism there was because of the draft.

I'm not sure how to condition an argument about draftees vs. signed up, but I don't even think it has to go that far, combat deployments were incredibly different to anything before Desert Storm. That is intense enough.

To be completely honest, if I was drafted in times of war I would do everything in my power to get out of it. If I were to have gone so far as to sign up, then that would mean I took on the potential risks of joining a violent organization.

I actually respect both around the same degree, but for different reasons. Being drafted is horrific to me and they deserve respect for being used by the government like that, at the same time people who join by choice deserve respect because it's a brave choice without which the draft would eventually have to return, because no way am I joining willingly and without joiners we essentially create a justification for the government to force us.

Like I said before, the people from high school that I know joined tended to fall into two categories. One, they wanted the signing bonus and the opportunity to get free college. Two, they wanted to "bag towel-heads", "blow shit up", fly fighter jets, or some other boyish 'plays-to-much-counterstrike' kind of horseshit. Someone who is forced to be trained to become a killer is someone who is very pitiful indeed, and deserves to be looked at from a different perspective than someone who signed up willingly. Some honorable people exist on both sides, but being drafted to war is probably the most fucked up thing in the history of mankind aside from stuff like the Holocaust or towns that get ravaged Genghis Kahn style.

What is "human worth"? Some sort of metric based on the ability to breath, eat, and shit?

Meh, I probably could have worded it better. I should have said something like the value of a human life, of which I mean should be equivalent regardless of contribution. Modern society was built with this ideal in mind, and is summarized well by the Golden Rule. You suggest looking at things practically before looking at them ideologically. Why?

 

[Dak]

Meh, I probably could have worded it better. I should have said something like the value of a human life, of which I mean should be equivalent regardless of contribution. Modern society was built with this ideal in mind, and is summarized well by the Golden Rule. You suggest looking at things practically before looking at them ideologically. Why?

I guess we should place equal value on the life of [insert terrible person in history] and [insert renowned person in history]. Because they both took shits and had functioning myocardium or something. Modern society was built by the discovery of and discovery of uses for oil and better understanding - in some cases anyway, of economic principles, not individual ideals.

To answer your question about practicality: I can hold any number of ideals that cannot translate into any meaningful action, or can in fact cause terrible harm to others, because material reality is ignored. See: Bolshevism. See: Venezuela. Etc.

 

[CiG]

 

[arg]

The value of human life
- perpetrators of heinous crimes should be killed.
- everyone else should be left alone and not be actively killed.
- it is ok to let them die of hunger, disease, etc though. we are not obligated to help anyone and doing it with other people’s resources is especially immoral.

 

[Einherjar86]

Hahahaha, why do you post this crap?

There are more than two genders because gender is how people choose to perform their sexuality--and that can take any number of forms. Gender is limitless. It's an impractical answer, but that's the situation we have to deal with. There's nothing essential or absolute about it. Gender is an effect of social institutions and that's all we have to work with.

There are, however, only two sexes. A woman who identifies with the masculine gender isn't under some delusion that he has a penis. He simply doesn't feel that the gender he identifies with matches up with the body he occupies. This relentlessness with trying to return gender to its appropriate sexuality is really tiresome.

 

[CiG]

Only a retard would ask why crap would be posted in the Mort thread.

 

[Einherjar86]

ba-zing

 

[CiG]

Honestly the most ridiculous part of that whole video to me was that shaved-head amorphous blob's concept of what violence is.

 

[Einherjar86]

I didn't watch the whole thing. I laughed out loud when Chowder dropped refs to de Beauvoir and Butler like he's a continental champ. The guy's on-stage performances are so staged I'm starting to think that right-wing political comedy should be its own gender.

 

[CiG]

Mkay.

 

[Einherjar86]

Lighten up toots, it's a party.

 

[CiG]

I identify as a killjoy.

 

[Dak]

I don't know how anyone can stand Crowder's voice long enough for him to do one complete show, much less make it a career.

 

[CiG]

I don't particularly like him either, but for me he's easier to stomach than people like John Oliver, Bill Maher etc even though I agree with them more politically speaking.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I actually like John Oliver as an entertainer even though he's merely the best-prepped hack. He's at least self-deprecating and silly, unlike Maher and every other smug pop-left asshole. I actually had a dream about him a couple days ago, I was like his paige or something and followed him, from a Home Depot where I had to pick up some supplies for him, to a house he purchased in Manhattan, a totally non-descript California-style McMansion on its own little lot completely surrounded by skyscrapers. He told me about all the hours he toiled to get that far and that if I kept my chin up, I could make it too. It was an overcast day and the power bill hadn't been paid yet, so we just kind of inspected the house, almost completely empty, in an eerie indoor twilight. I think he told me some kind of ghost story about the building, I vaguely remember a living room which was particularly dark and spooky, but the tour ended in his to-be office, which was partially furnished with a kind of 50s reporter decor. Through the one open window I could see the backyard, containing a children's swingset and a trampoline. I hopped around on it with his pet English bulldog. He then asked me to take it for a walk and to pick up some pork roast from the Jewish deli just down the block. I think I woke up before I got there, can't really remember now. It was a pleasant dream all things considered. Had a similar one about Michael Moore a decade ago, only I was his son in that case. Must be some kind of daddy issues thing on my part.

 

[CiG]

I haven't remembered a dream since I was like 10 and here you are...

 

[Einherjar86]

I don't know how anyone can stand Crowder's voice long enough for him to do one complete show, much less make it a career.

It's the sacrifice of auditory aesthetics for the gratuitous pleasure of hearing one's personal beliefs recited back to them in a snappy fashion.

It's the same relationship I have with John Oliver... except that Oliver's voice is endlessly endearing. And honestly, Oliver actually teaches me things sometimes, unlike Maher or Trevor Noah.

 

[Dak]

It's the sacrifice of auditory aesthetics for the gratuitous pleasure of hearing one's personal beliefs recited back to them in a snappy fashion.

It's the same relationship I have with John Oliver... except that Oliver's voice is endlessly endearing. And honestly, Oliver actually teaches me things sometimes, unlike Maher or Trevor Noah.

Oliver was a lot better before he contracted Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[CiG]

Seems to go for a lot of people.