If Mort Divine ruled the world
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I don't know how anyone can stand Crowder's voice long enough for him to do one complete show, much less make it a career.
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I don't particularly like him either, but for me he's easier to stomach than people like John Oliver, Bill Maher etc even though I agree with them more politically speaking.
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I actually like John Oliver as an entertainer even though he's merely the best-prepped hack. He's at least self-deprecating and silly, unlike Maher and every other smug pop-left asshole. I actually had a dream about him a couple days ago, I was like his paige or something and followed him, from a Home Depot where I had to pick up some supplies for him, to a house he purchased in Manhattan, a totally non-descript California-style McMansion on its own little lot completely surrounded by skyscrapers. He told me about all the hours he toiled to get that far and that if I kept my chin up, I could make it too. It was an overcast day and the power bill hadn't been paid yet, so we just kind of inspected the house, almost completely empty, in an eerie indoor twilight. I think he told me some kind of ghost story about the building, I vaguely remember a living room which was particularly dark and spooky, but the tour ended in his to-be office, which was partially furnished with a kind of 50s reporter decor. Through the one open window I could see the backyard, containing a children's swingset and a trampoline. I hopped around on it with his pet English bulldog. He then asked me to take it for a walk and to pick up some pork roast from the Jewish deli just down the block. I think I woke up before I got there, can't really remember now. It was a pleasant dream all things considered. Had a similar one about Michael Moore a decade ago, only I was his son in that case. Must be some kind of daddy issues thing on my part.
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Einherjar86
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It's the sacrifice of auditory aesthetics for the gratuitous pleasure of hearing one's personal beliefs recited back to them in a snappy fashion.
It's the same relationship I have with John Oliver... except that Oliver's voice is endlessly endearing.
And honestly, Oliver actually teaches me things sometimes, unlike Maher or Trevor Noah.
Dak
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It's the sacrifice of auditory aesthetics for the gratuitous pleasure of hearing one's personal beliefs recited back to them in a snappy fashion.
It's the same relationship I have with John Oliver... except that Oliver's voice is endlessly endearing.
Oliver was a lot better before he contracted Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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yeah, havent been able to sit through a Last Week Tonight in a bit. His Snowden thing was pretty great.
I do hate that Last Week still attempts to be Daily Show, it seems clear that Oliver can keep people interested just by researching into things worth knowing about.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...iencing-more-pain-too/?utm_term=.562bc6cde176
I think it's interesting that the data points start right after the Nixon Shock. America has been getting hollowed out economically and culturally since the 60s-70s, and no amount of progressive thotting can make the hurt stop.
I think it's interesting that the data points start right after the Nixon Shock. America has been getting hollowed out economically and culturally since the 60s-70s, and no amount of progressive thotting can make the hurt stop.
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I care much less about the statistical outliers in this scenario, and am addressing it from the viewpoint of the right to life itself. Society clearly values its prime movers, but I think that within a society everyone has an equal opportunity to life itself. Otherwise we are no better than animals.
If you were to completely ignore the social aspects of the advancement of civilized society, then yes, you are right. But society has been driven to innovation by people with big aspirations, grand ideas, and yes ideals.
I agree mostly with your first two points, but disagree fundamentally with the third. If a doctor is morally obligated to do everything in his power to save a patient's life, then I think we could extend this logic to a healthcare system that is morally obligated to help anybody within it's scope to the same life-saving obligation. As an EMT I have met many people who are unwilling to seek treatments because they either dont have insurance and/or cannot afford care. This to me is an injustice and there should be attempts to alleviate this issue. As a society we already pool together "other people's resources" to support civilized society, and there is nothing more important to someone than their own health.
Dak
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Yes, people have an equal right to be left alone. Not a right to take from those with more than them, or take from those with different skills. A "right to health care" makes doctors, nurses, etc and medical tech companies slaves.
How much have social aspects improved? So much so that everyone is fucking depressed, anxious, and in pain. So much improvement. I suppose you think Zuckerberg created Facebook and keeps it free for users because of a purely altruistic position.
Einherjar86
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Your sense of "slave" is less logically accurate than it is rhetorically provocative. In a similar sense, we're all slaves to time, or money, or the gastrointestinal system.
Well, the world has grown less violent since last century. As far as depression, anxiety, and pain go, people have always been these things. We're simply treating them differently today, for better or worse.
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No, healthcare is a service and healthcare providers should be allowed to reject patients who can’t pay (or just give them painkillers and tell them to fuck off and not cure the expensive disease).
They can go find a compassionate doctor who will treat them for free or beg for money on gofundme, but they have no moral justification to get the government to reach into my pocket to cure them, they can fuck off and die.
Dak
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Sure, but why bother developing advanced aids or techniques if it just makes you the slave of some soapdope?
The lower violence has been a twin result of the increased threat of violence and the increased level of material wealth. That is a separate matter from the increased levels of depression of anxiety, even if also related.
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My point is that using the word "slave" implies a particular perspective on the issue that in turn implies a particular ideological stance. You're still using "slave" as though it correlates to a definitive state of being in the real world. Doctors working in a modern society that guarantees universal healthcare aren't actual slaves.
As far as your question goes, why would universal healthcare preclude the impetus for scientific development? Isn't it possible that people who go into medicine do so for the contribution it might have to a broader social good, as opposed to simply securing individual financial security?
If you say so.
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EternalMetal
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Savage response. Then again, I wouldnt expect someone like you to even remotely understand basic morality. I already knew from the beginning that I was taking a controversial stance, but people who can look down on the downtrodden without any sort of empathy and say that they can "fuck off and die" are fucking assholes that deserve some crippling illness. And when you are sick, laying in bed unable to work, your funds drained attempting to sustain yourself, you will do what exactly? Fuck off and die apparently.
Almost everyone I know in the healthcare industry legitimately sympathizes with sick patients and feels horrible about denying care to those who cannot afford it. I am part of an organization (an EMS squad with ambulances) that has many members who volunteer their time to safely transport ill and dying patients to hospitals. We are one of many thousands across the nation, and probably even more across the world. Nobody wants to kick patients to the curb, but at the moment US healthcare would cripple itself and crumble if it were to serve everyone regardless of their ability to pay. I am unwilling to accept this as an end goal. Even researchers who work feverishly on cures for diseases completely removed from direct patient care would want everyone who has it to be treated.
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