If Mort Divine ruled the world

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The shitholeness of a country sending illegals or expired temporary protection people is NOT A REASON to not deport them!

 

[Einherjar86]

White supremacist Richard Spencer, an organizer of the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Va., last year, lambasted conservatives defending the president on Fox News for pretending the remark was not racial in nature.

“It’s obviously all about race, and to their credit, liberals point out the obvious,” he told The Times.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...e-trump-shithole-comment-hes-on-the-same-page

 

[CiG]

It's all about race to people like Richard Spencer and the so-called liberals he's speaking about. Spencer uses these situations as an opportunity to push his race realism informed politics (America will become a shithole if we keep bringing in shit races) and buttresses it with the virtue-signaling left.

[claps]

 

[Einherjar86]

It's all about race to people like Richard Spencer and the so-called liberals he's speaking about. Spencer uses these situations as an opportunity to push his race realism informed politics (America will become a shithole if we keep bringing in shit races) and buttresses it with the virtue-signaling left.

[claps]

Spencer and his ilk are the dark unconscious of this country that most of us would like to ignore. Those who say Trump's comments have no racial motivation are willfully blinding themselves.

 

[Dak]

It's all about race to people like Richard Spencer and the so-called liberals he's speaking about. Spencer uses these situations as an opportunity to push his race realism informed politics (America will become a shithole if we keep bringing in shit races) and buttresses it with the virtue-signaling left.

[claps]

America will be a shithole if it keeps importing unskilled illiterate workers but it has nothing to do with race. Illiterate Norwegians would also be a problem, it just so happens the literacy rates between Norway and Haiti have a 35%+ differential, never mind advanced skills differential.

Spencer and his ilk are the dark unconscious of this country that most of us would like to ignore. Those who say Trump's comments have no racial motivation are willfully blinding themselves.

It probably does have racial motivation. It's unfortunate it takes someone with racial motivations to speak truth to media power.

 

[Einherjar86]

It probably does have racial motivation. It's unfortunate it takes someone with racial motivations to speak truth to media power.

That's a pathetic excuse.

 

[CiG]

Spencer and his ilk are the dark unconscious of this country that most of us would like to ignore. Those who say Trump's comments have no racial motivation are willfully blinding themselves.

I disagree, unlike yourself and Spencer I think statements on other cultures and civilizations can emerge from sources other than a raw racism.

Retracted my 'like' from Dak because I don't agree that Trump was racially motivated. Race =/= culture.

 

[arg]

Illegals, refugees, and expired temporary protection people should be sent back where they came from, not because of race, but because we don’t need them leeching off us!


Race does not matter! Sure many calling for their deportation are racist, but their racism does not matter because they are correct in wanting to send them back anyway, for economic and societal order reasons, they just happen to be of certain races.

Spencer and his ilk are the dark unconscious of this country that most of us would like to ignore. Those who say Trump's comments have no racial motivation are willfully blinding themselves.

 

[Dak]

I disagree, unlike yourself and Spencer I think statements on other cultures and civilizations can emerge from sources other than a raw racism.

Retracted my 'like' from Dak because I don't agree that Trump was racially motivated. Race =/= culture.

I don't know that Trump is racist but it wouldn't surprise me if he was based on odds. But yeah, Race=/=culture, and the agreement between Spencer and leftists says more about leftists than Trump.

 

[Einherjar86]

I disagree, unlike yourself and Spencer I think statements on other cultures and civilizations can emerge from sources other than a raw racism.

Sure they can, but not when the comments are explicitly racially structured.

i.e. Norwegian immigrants are better than African immigrants. I'm sorry, if one doesn't detect the racial overtones of that comment, then one is a dumbass. For the record, I'm talking about Trump, not you--either he has no political sensitivity (not hard to believe), or he doesn't care (also not hard to believe, and equally as bad).

I can't be convinced that it's okay for him to make comments like this. The shit-for-brains needs to own up to the value of language, and the left will keep reminding him of that.

 

[Dak]

Sure they can, but not when the comments are explicitly racially structured.

i.e. Norwegian immigrants are better than African immigrants. I'm sorry, if one doesn't detect the racial overtones of that comment, then one is a dumbass. For the record, I'm talking about Trump, not you--either he has no political sensitivity (not hard to believe), or he doesn't care (also not hard to believe, and equally as bad).

I can't be convinced that it's okay for him to make comments like this. The shit-for-brains needs to own up to the value of language, and the left will keep reminding him of that.

Norway has a better literacy rate than Africa at large (problematic because of heterogeneity in Africa) and especially Haiti. You don't care about those facts though. Only language, comments, eg approved words. Words are infinitely malleable and therefore of spurious use as it becomes the user's fidelity to accuracy.

 

[Einherjar86]

Norway has a better literacy rate than Africa at large (problematic because of heterogeneity in Africa) and especially Haiti. You don't care about those facts though. Only language, comments, eg approved words. Words are infinitely malleable and therefore of spurious use as it becomes the user's fidelity to accuracy.

Sure I care about those facts. Why the fuck would Norwegians want to come to America? I'm fully capable of acknowledging Norway's successes in contrast to the failures of African countries. I'm also capable of separating those details from the racial dynamic of Trump's language.

 

[CiG]

I don't know that Trump is racist but it wouldn't surprise me if he was based on odds. But yeah, Race=/=culture, and the agreement between Spencer and leftists says more about leftists than Trump.

Well, I think all humans are racist to some degree, to not be so would be strange. But I don't think Donald Trump is a Richard Spencer type who thinks there is a higher and lower order of races. I think he's just boorish, in the past he essentially called Sweden a shithole iirc and I think it's pretty clear that he's an American exceptionalist who looks down his nose at all other nations who aren't America.

Sure they can, but not when the comments are explicitly racially structured.

I don't agree that they are. You would never hear Donald Trump insulting African-Americans in such a way or any other race connected to America, he's a cultural chauvinist. That probably sticks in the craw of the subsection of the left who believes all cultures are equal but those people are fucking idiots anyway.

i.e. Norwegian immigrants are better than African immigrants. I'm sorry, if one doesn't detect the racial overtones of that comment, then one is a dumbass.

You seem to be the dumb ass here if you don't realise the context of such a statement. Do you really think Norwegian culture and society is no better in at the very least what it has achieved than African ones? Africa is one giant backwards disaster zone with tribal warfare and so on, Norway is a modern advanced social democracy.

But no, for racialists like intersectional leftists and the alt-right it's all down to race.

I can't be convinced that it's okay for him to make comments like this. The shit-for-brains needs to own up to the value of language, and the left will keep reminding him of that.

Trump may be post-literate (as in he doesn't read) but the left as you say isn't qualified to speak on the value of language anymore than anybody else is, especially given the ferocity with which they have largely wrenched context from society. In fact this might be just the example of that very thing.

Trump's context was that Norwegians come from a culture of well-educated people with a history of liberal values and so on. Africans you cannot really say the same for.

It might be uncomfortable for people to face.

 

[Einherjar86]

Well, I think all humans are racist to some degree, to not be so would be strange. But I don't think Donald Trump is a Richard Spencer type who thinks there is a higher and lower order of races. I think he's just boorish, in the past he essentially called Sweden a shithole iirc and I think it's pretty clear that he's an American exceptionalist who looks down his nose at all other nations who aren't America.



I don't agree that they are. You would never hear Donald Trump insulting African-Americans in such a way or any other race connected to America, he's a cultural chauvinist. That probably sticks in the craw of the subsection of the left who believes all cultures are equal but those people are fucking idiots anyway.



You seem to be the dumb ass here if you don't realise the context of such a statement. Do you really think Norwegian culture and society is no better in at the very least what it has achieved than African ones? Africa is one giant backwards disaster zone with tribal warfare and so on, Norway is a modern advanced social democracy.

But no, for racialists like intersectional leftists and the alt-right it's all down to race.



Trump may be post-literate (as in he doesn't read) but the left as you say isn't qualified to speak on the value of language anymore than anybody else is, especially given the ferocity they have largely wrenched context from society. In fact this might be just the example of that very thing.

Trump's context was that Norwegians come from a culture of well-educated people with a history of liberal values and so on. Africans you cannot really say the same for.

It might be uncomfortable for people to face.

Well, I already responded to this above, so I'll say no more.

 

[arg]

He does not have to be racist to call a shithole country a shithole. It’s more likely he means it’s a shithole because of poverty and violence, not because of the skin color of the people living there.

But even if he did mean it in a partially racist way, it does not matter. We do not want immigrants from shitholes just because they are shitholes

 

[Dak]

Why the fuck would Norwegians want to come to America? ...........I'm also capable of separating those details from the racial dynamic of Trump's language.

Apparently you can't.

 

[CiG]

Well, I already responded to this above, so I'll say no more.

I'm also capable of separating those details from the racial dynamic of Trump's language.

The point: the racial dynamic is in your head.

 

[CiG]

Perhaps the ultimate irony re: Haiti is that I don't remember this level of outrage over what the Clintons actually did in Haiti with their relief fund foundation activities, of which many Haitians still harbor a repulsion towards the Clintons for.

The left think they're the protectors of the power of words, not really. Reacting more hysterically to words over actions simply hurts everybody and does nothing for the sanctity of language.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

That's a pathetic excuse.

He's 100% right on that. When you have a polarized political system with a narrow window of political acceptability, and each side resorts to terms like "Nazi", "communist", racist", "anti-American", etc to shut down outsiders, it's an inevitable outcome that the only ones willing to speak are those so fringe that they've stopped caring about political viability. It's just another example of the "Pied piper" strategy that put Trump into power in the first place.

 

[Dak]

That's a pathetic excuse.

Oh I'm sorry. I forgot that my opinions must conform in all things to the media presented social order. Ahem

BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!!

I'm sorry it's not on Twitter so I could properly broadcast my piety but it's the best I could do on short notice.