Dak
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Leftists: We need to help refugees escaping from terrible countries
Trump: Those places ARE shitholes
Leftists: Reeeee racist!
Trump: Those places ARE shitholes
Leftists: Reeeee racist!
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Einherjar86
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The word "shithole" isn't actually why Trump's being called a racist. It's because he basically implied he prefers Norwegians over Africans. 
Guy can't stop digging holes.
Guy can't stop digging holes.
Dak
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I don't care what his rationale is, but immigration policy has to be based on the needs of the country, not the immigrant. The country does not need people who grew up in [insert 3rd world imagery].
TechnicalBarbarity
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Who he prefers or who he allows? I see no problem with what he said there. Plenty of other world leaders would tell you the same. And it has absolutely nothing to do with "bu bu bu but dats racizm"The word "shithole" isn't actually why Trump's being called a racist. It's because he basically implied he prefers Norwegians over Africans.
Einherjar86
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Dak
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Precisely. Not only does the US already not need more unskilled, diseased, illiterate/non-English speaking persons, the wave of automation/combined with minimum wage increases pricing the unskilled increasingly out of the market renders them increasingly unneeded.
Funerary_Doom
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Honestly I’m very tired of this “you *deserve* to live in America if you’re productive narrative.” Can we stop tying human worth to labor output? I was born in America; therefore, that’s where I live. Sometimes I sit on my bed and binge watch tv series, while other times I’m productive. I know many Americans that sit down and watch FoxNews, listen to country music and watch certain sports and these activites are considered VERY American. And to be frank, that in of itself is NOT worthy of shame or be considered unAmerican because let’s face it we are all guilty of some of this. I don’t even feel like combating Trump with how productive immigrants are/have been even though my surroundings (myself included) have been a testament to that. To me, a person of color can literally be the most respectful/talented/intelligent/successful person ever but someone racist will still think he/she is better than that person due to pseudo science/pseudointellectualism, and just straight up stupidity. I’m tired of having to justify myself to idiots. Being racist is fucked up because people of color are PEOPLE. Idk. Maybe this rhetoric doesn’t get pushed around a lot.
Dak
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And people born in other countries can keep living in the countries they were born in, unless they have marketable skills to do otherwise. Setting limits to immigration has nothing to do with "human worth". It does have to do with economic reality. Unskilled workers are increasingly unneeded in the developed world, and generally speaking, people in places like Haiti are unskilled. Furthermore, every immigrant leaving Haiti reduces the labor output they can provide Haiti, which is more valuable there than here, given their economy. Refusing immigrants from Haiti and like places is generally doing Haiti and Haitians (or other similar places) a favor.
Setting immigration policy based on race is already illegal, but "immigrant" is a practically useless term when discussing the merits of an "immigrant" because the pool of "immigrants" is incredibly heterogeneous. I'm certainly not arguing against meritocratic immigration. By shear probability there is certainly some Haitian that wishes to emigrate to America that is far more qualified than many Americans for any number of jobs. That doesn't mean you just throw the doors open.
arg
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Those countries ARE shitholes AND we need to send illegals and refugees back there.
The fact that they are shitholes does not mean we should take them!
5 criteria that should ALL be satisfied before letting people in:
1. Did they come in legally?
2. Can they completely support themselves without depending on taxpayers?
3. Are they skilled?
4. Do we need those skills?
5. Is there nobody already here that can provide those skills?
If ONE fails, including #5 even if all the others pass, the answer should be NO.
The fact that they are shitholes does not mean we should take them!
5 criteria that should ALL be satisfied before letting people in:
1. Did they come in legally?
2. Can they completely support themselves without depending on taxpayers?
3. Are they skilled?
4. Do we need those skills?
5. Is there nobody already here that can provide those skills?
If ONE fails, including #5 even if all the others pass, the answer should be NO.
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CiG
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Once upon a time people went to America in order to better be productive, but a new "everyone gets an award" mentality seems to have set in and it's controversial to think that people going to America as well as people there already should be productive.
In places like Australia we demand proof of productivity from people moving here because you can't have social democracy and unproductive people. Nobody works, our great social programs can't be funded by tax dollars and suddenly society falls apart. If America ever adopts universal healthcare these are attitudes that will have to be debated.
In places like Australia we demand proof of productivity from people moving here because you can't have social democracy and unproductive people. Nobody works, our great social programs can't be funded by tax dollars and suddenly society falls apart. If America ever adopts universal healthcare these are attitudes that will have to be debated.
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Einherjar86
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CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
It's all about race to people like Richard Spencer and the so-called liberals he's speaking about. Spencer uses these situations as an opportunity to push his race realism informed politics (America will become a shithole if we keep bringing in shit races) and buttresses it with the virtue-signaling left.
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Einherjar86
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Spencer and his ilk are the dark unconscious of this country that most of us would like to ignore. Those who say Trump's comments have no racial motivation are willfully blinding themselves.
Dak
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America will be a shithole if it keeps importing unskilled illiterate workers but it has nothing to do with race. Illiterate Norwegians would also be a problem, it just so happens the literacy rates between Norway and Haiti have a 35%+ differential, never mind advanced skills differential.
It probably does have racial motivation. It's unfortunate it takes someone with racial motivations to speak truth to media power.
Einherjar86
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CiG
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I disagree, unlike yourself and Spencer I think statements on other cultures and civilizations can emerge from sources other than a raw racism.
Retracted my 'like' from Dak because I don't agree that Trump was racially motivated. Race =/= culture.
arg
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Illegals, refugees, and expired temporary protection people should be sent back where they came from, not because of race, but because we don’t need them leeching off us!
Race does not matter! Sure many calling for their deportation are racist, but their racism does not matter because they are correct in wanting to send them back anyway, for economic and societal order reasons, they just happen to be of certain races.
Race does not matter! Sure many calling for their deportation are racist, but their racism does not matter because they are correct in wanting to send them back anyway, for economic and societal order reasons, they just happen to be of certain races.
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