If Mort Divine ruled the world

[HamburgerBoy]

Primarily the former considering that

1) we have a hard-limit on the total number of legal immigrants
2) we have categories which specifically favor refugees from politically unstable nations
3) we have categories which specifically favor refugees from nations that have experienced disasters
4) we have diversity programs which specifically favor Africans

Obviously Norwegians aren't going to suddenly pour in by the hundreds of thousands, but right now, if you're a merely-good Norwegian, you're going to be waiting about a decade to get into the country. If you're a Haitian, very different story.

fwiw I'm sticking with 'Norwegian' just because it was the anecdote Durbin used; they're one of the least immigration-prone groups probably largely thanks to their incredible wealth, though thousands still come here. Things might not change wrt their emigration, but there are plenty of European nations that the same case could be made for.

 

[Einherjar86]

All that being true, it doesn't mean that fewer Norwegians than Haitians immigrate to the U.S. because it's harder for them to do so. As you said, Norwegians are less prone to immigrate as they enjoy economic and political stability. You're speculating that it would be harder for them based on current statistics, but that in itself is a limited scope.

For instance, if Norway were to suffer some kind of ecological or political catastrophe that sent the country into disarray, would it still be harder for them to immigrate? I doubt that the current restrictions you perceive against them would stand if some of those categories you listed suddenly applied to Norway.

Put another way, I don't think you can really measure the difficulty since Norwegians currently don't have a pressing need to immigrate. If circumstances arose that necessitated immigration, then we'd be dealing with a different scenario.

 

[arg]

The US should not give a shit about the economic, environmental or safety conditions of a country when considering taking in immigrants. It should be pure meritocracy and nothing else. Favoring Africans, Arabs or South Americans is racist. Coming from a shithole should not be a free pass.

 

[EternalMetal]

But he does, which is why he's willing to refuse or allow entry to people based on nationality. He's not even willing to give Haitian or African immigrants the chance to prove themselves individually. He's simply making broad assessments based on general national stats; and when you take a country like Norway versus an African country, this also correlates to racial identity.

Well im arguing that Trump is judging them based on nationality, not race. It just so happens to coincide with the idea that troubled nations are majority 'race x', and that more successful nations are 'race y'. Dont get me wrong, im not on Trump's side. Im against him discriminating against these struggling nations. This is not a matter of national security like it is with Muslim-majority countries, so I see no problem with them wanting to immigrate for a better life.

For the record, I don't have my copy of "Dr. Kismet" with me; I'm paraphrasing. I don't think Mosley was implying that "black hole" is a racially motivated term, but that blackness is commonly associated with a particular set of concepts, and that in certain cases these can be seen to intersect with attitudes toward people of color. I'm being more reductive in my comments here than I should be, but it's tough to respond to everyone without spending an hour on a post.

The whole concept is stupid. Maybe im just ignorant to the sociology, but it just seems like more PC nonsense to me. The Fox clip posted earlier had black people ticked off over the concept of 'black hole'.

 

[Dak]

EDIT: and for the record...

http://amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/no-not-everything-is-racist-but-donald-trump-is.html

Trump's "unconventional approach" is achieving the slow acknowledgements like the following:

quotas by nationality are common in immigration policy

He's managed a significant shift in the Overton Window in very little time through his unfiltered and crass language. The racially minded leftists have hypothesized that Trumps sole or main impetus in running for President was to undue Obama's legacy. I doubt that, since he has been toying with the idea for decades, and I think he accurately assessed the 2016 race as the weakest competition ever. However, he has nearly undone everything relating to Obama's policy legacy in one year. If he can nominate one more young SC justice, in the next three years, I think that work will be complete.

I was listening to a piece on Patton today, and while Trump is no military mind, there's definitely some crossover (and btw, Patton certainly had at least one screw loose - he thought he was an infinitely reincarnated warrior across all of time). Some jobs require persons lacking in tact, and the situation created by every president maybe including, but definitely since Reagan, appears to have called for Trump. He can't fix decades of rot in 4 years, but it's a start.

 

[rms]

THIS BITCH thought she was special

In the Uber home from Ansari’s apartment, Grace texted a friend: “I hate men.” She continued: “I had to say no a lot. He wanted sex. He wanted to get me drunk and then fuck me.” She texted another friend after she got back to her apartment, “I’m taking a bath I’m really upset I feel weird.”


https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

 

[viewerfromnihil]

THIS BITCH thought she was special

In the Uber home from Ansari’s apartment, Grace texted a friend: “I hate men.” She continued: “I had to say no a lot. He wanted sex. He wanted to get me drunk and then fuck me.” She texted another friend after she got back to her apartment, “I’m taking a bath I’m really upset I feel weird.”


https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

Somebody shared this on FB, saying it confirmed what she already thought about Ansari. I was pretty pissed, but I didn't feel like getting into that rabbit hole of a debate on FB. I'm very supportive of the #metoo movement, but shit like this is exactly what the French petition criticized.

 

[CiG]

What recourse does an accused individual even have in the face of this #MeToo movement? I'd support some kind of mass-police/human resources report movement (something that encouraged people to actually go to the proper authorities when the incident occurs) but from what I can tell this entire thing is basically trial by social media.

I think I support #MeToo but I can't really be sure of the nature of it.

 

[Einherjar86]

Some jobs require persons lacking in tact, and the situation created by every president maybe including, but definitely since Reagan, appears to have called for Trump. He can't fix decades of rot in 4 years, but it's a start.

Even Bush didn't call for Trump. I can't believe how apologetic you are for this guy. It's disturbing.

 

[CiG]

I cooked my own dinner last night. Pay me bitch.

http://qz.com/1174944/the-gdp-is-sexist/

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Even Bush didn't call for Trump. I can't believe how apologetic you are for this guy. It's disturbing.

Two bullshit wars, hundreds of thousands dead, trillions of dollars in debt, but at least he didn't use the word "shithole"!

 

[Einherjar86]

Two bullshit wars, hundreds of thousands dead, trillions of dollars in debt, but at least he didn't use the word "shithole"!

Please. As though Trump's going to be any different.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Please. As though Trump's going to be any different.

Nice crystal ball brah

 

[arg]

THIS BITCH thought she was special

In the Uber home from Ansari’s apartment, Grace texted a friend: “I hate men.” She continued: “I had to say no a lot. He wanted sex. He wanted to get me drunk and then fuck me.” She texted another friend after she got back to her apartment, “I’m taking a bath I’m really upset I feel weird.”


https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

Why did she not fuck him? DAS RACIS

 

[EternalMetal]

Why did she not fuck him? DAS RACIS

She sucked him of twice in one night though, so he didnt do all that badly.

 

[arg]

So she feels dirty about it cuz he’s a brown man? White slut!

He’s a typical lefty shit comedian tho so they are both disgusting

 

[Onder]

What recourse does an accused individual even have in the face of this #MeToo movement? I'd support some kind of mass-police/human resources report movement (something that encouraged people to actually go to the proper authorities when the incident occurs) but from what I can tell this entire thing is basically trial by social media.

I think I support #MeToo but I can't really be sure of the nature of it.

This is exactly how I feel about it, but it's quite hard to formulate this stance in real life without riling up people on either side. I usually stay silent when this talk comes up.

 

[CiG]

This is exactly how I feel about it, but it's quite hard to formulate this stance in real life without riling up people on either side. I usually stay silent when this talk comes up.

I won't be surprised if #MeToo leads to #GettingSued.

 

[Dak]

Even Bush didn't call for Trump. I can't believe how apologetic you are for this guy. It's disturbing.

I don't care if he says shithole, and that's being "apologetic". I care about policies and appointments to important positions, and so far Trump is delivering. That says nothing about what I think of his "character". I'd rather have Obama in my home than Trump, if that makes you happy.

 

[Einherjar86]

I don't care if he says shithole, and that's being "apologetic". I care about policies and appointments to important positions, and so far Trump is delivering.

I care about policies too. "Shithole" is the little turd berry on top of a shit sundae.