If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Dak]

I can see how white nationalists might see it that way, but I doubt black nationalists do.

http://www.newsweek.com/alt-right-anti-semitism-black-nationalist-unite-714434

An ideological alliance between white and black nationalists makes some sense on a political level. Both groups want to form a country without the other one in it. But for Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, both groups are also united by their deep hatred of Jewish people.
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Segal, who’s been at the league for more than a decade while studying extremists, also noted in a recent blog post that the camaraderie between white and black nationalists goes back decades.

George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi party, attended a separationist speech by Nation of Islam leader Malcolm X, and was quoted as saying that he was “fully concerned with their program” and that he had “the highest respect for Elijah Muhammad,” the Nation of Islam founder. Segal also notes that the Ku Klux Klan leader “David Duke has also tweeted agreement with Farrakhan, and in 1985 Farrakhan met with Thomas Metzger, a former KKK leader, at an NOI rally in San Diego."

For many, Farrakhan is a social justice leader and should be revered despite his anti-Semitic views. But for Segal, any shred of Farrakhan’s credibility went out the window the second he entertained collaborating with the alt-right.

“Anybody who had any skepticism about the anti-Semitism in NOI should put that skepticism to bed now that he seems to be open to dialogue with white supremacists,” he said.

Segal doesn’t believe these commonalities will manifest themselves on the streets or in a united organization. But, he noted, “it’s entirely possible that they would both be on a podcast together in this moment in time.”

 

[Einherjar86]

http://www.newsweek.com/alt-right-anti-semitism-black-nationalist-unite-714434

I was referring specifically to the film. Black nationalists and the alt-right won't unite over a film whose premise is separatism, since unity and separatism are mutually exclusive. The extent of agreement is: "We don't wanna be around you fuckers," and the other group says "Good by us."

Black nationalists themselves are often militant and incredibly intolerant.

 

[Dak]

I was referring specifically to the film. Black nationalists and the alt-right won't unite over a film whose premise is separatism, since unity and separatism are mutually exclusive. The extent of agreement is: "We don't wanna be around you fuckers," and the other group says "Good by us."

Black nationalists themselves are often militant and incredibly intolerant.

I agree with all of this. No one is uniting, other than in agreement that separation is a good thing.

 

[CiG]

Isn't Black Panther a black nationalist/continentalist fantasy? That's how I've always understood it, at least. If the alt-right sees Black Panther as their new hero, then I'd say they're ignoring the historical circumstances that gave rise to black nationalism.

Which doesn't surprise me, so whatever.

In my run-ins with the alt-right I've noticed that they admire a lot of non-white nationalists, separatists, isolationists etc. They often show support for Palestine and other peoples who are being occupied by foreign states etc.

Of course this great admiration for native people fighting against occupation ends with supporting Native Americans, indigenous Australians, Maoris and so on lmao.

But in their defense the alt-right have no problem condemning imperialism/colonialism, even if they also try to be apologists for the history of wherever they're from.

 

[CiG]

The Twitterati are trying to smear Jordan Peterson as a racist because he has in some vague context brought up the link between indigenous people and alcoholism.

I love how these advocacy groups and orgs spend thousands of dollars doing outreach programs to try and fix indigenous community problems of domestic violence, alcoholism and drug abuse and then when someone (especially if they're white) mentions the problem they become racists.

https://pressprogress.ca/former-tru...n-peterson-is-racist-are-we-really-surprised/

https://www.recovery.org/topics/native-americans-alcoholism/

 

[Einherjar86]

The problem is he's not speaking to the actual reasons for alcoholism among Native Americans. All he's doing is perpetuating the stereotype that Native Americans drink because they're Native Americans, not because of the conditions they've inherited.

He's a provocateur, nothing more.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I was referring specifically to the film. Black nationalists and the alt-right won't unite over a film whose premise is separatism, since unity and separatism are mutually exclusive. The extent of agreement is: "We don't wanna be around you fuckers," and the other group says "Good by us."

Black nationalists themselves are often militant and incredibly intolerant.

Louis Farrakhan and David Duke were united in their support for Trump.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The Twitterati are trying to smear Jordan Peterson as a racist because he has in some vague context brought up the link between indigenous people and alcoholism.

I love how these advocacy groups and orgs spend thousands of dollars doing outreach programs to try and fix indigenous community problems of domestic violence, alcoholism and drug abuse and then when someone (especially if they're white) mentions the problem they become racists.

https://pressprogress.ca/former-tru...n-peterson-is-racist-are-we-really-surprised/

https://www.recovery.org/topics/native-americans-alcoholism/

Well it was a racist joke from what I can tell. Not that I don't love racist jokes, but I don't see how that addresses issues of alcoholism any more than replying to a photo of a white guy shooting a gun at the range with "Better you than some black guy shooting it at his wife" addresses black gun violence.

 

[Dak]

The problem is he's not speaking to the actual reasons for alcoholism among Native Americans. All he's doing is perpetuating the stereotype that Native Americans drink because they're Native Americans, not because of the conditions they've inherited.

"Actual reasons" being the status of wards of the state?

 

[Einherjar86]

Louis Farrakhan and David Duke were united in their support for Trump.

Farrakhan also said that Trump would drive America into the depths of hell. He supported him for the same reasons that Slavoj Zizek did.

"Actual reasons" being the status of wards of the state?

I'm talking about displacement and relocation.

 

[CiG]

The problem is he's not speaking to the actual reasons for alcoholism among Native Americans. All he's doing is perpetuating the stereotype that Native Americans drink because they're Native Americans, not because of the conditions they've inherited.

He's a provocateur, nothing more.

He wasn't speaking to anything, he made an offensive joke to a friend on Twitter which had zero broader context, which is now being used to redefine him as a racist. How can you claim to know whether he is or isn't speaking to the actual reasons for alcoholism among Native Americans ? Nice confirmation bias mang.

Well it was a racist joke from what I can tell. Not that I don't love racist jokes, but I don't see how that addresses issues of alcoholism any more than replying to a photo of a white guy shooting a gun at the range with "Better you than some black guy shooting it at his wife" addresses black gun violence.

Well I didn't say he addressed alcoholism.

 

[Dak]

I'm talking about displacement and relocation.

No one has had more issues with displacement and relocation than the Jews. I notice they aren't perceived to have a problem with alcohol.

 

[Einherjar86]

He wasn't speaking to anything, he made an offensive joke to a friend on Twitter which had zero broader context, which is now being used to redefine him as a racist. How can you claim to know whether he is or isn't speaking to the actual reasons for alcoholism among Native Americans ? Nice confirmation bias mang.

I'm not claiming to know him. I'm saying that he didn't bother to specify reasons or circumstances in his comment. He made an intentionally offensive and irresponsible comment, and that's all I said.

No one has had more issues with displacement and relocation than the Jews. I notice they aren't perceived to have a problem with alcohol.

Same old move, Dak. Nothing worth repeating here.

 

[Dak]

Same old move, Dak. Nothing worth repeating here.

You dislike between group comparisons when they don't support your worldview*. Nothing new.

 

[Einherjar86]

Only when the circumstances of said groups are very, very different.

 

[CiG]

I'm not claiming to know him. I'm saying that he didn't bother to specify reasons or circumstances in his comment. He made an intentionally offensive and irresponsible comment, and that's all I said.

No you implied that he's attempting to speak on indigenous alcoholism issues when all he did was make a joke to a friend which isn't even in the same ball-park as attempting to speak on an issue and then dishonestly called him a provocateur based on your faulty characterization.

You're being slimy.

Anyway, condemning a blatantly awful history isn't going to solve issues right now, that's just going to make bourgeois whites feel white guilt which is really just a pseudo-intellectual strand of masochism.

 

[Einherjar86]

No you implied that he's attempting to speak on indigenous alcoholism issues when all he did was make a joke to a friend which isn't even in the same ball-park as attempting to speak on an issue and then dishonestly called him a provocateur based on your faulty characterization.

You're being slimy.

Anyway, condemning a blatantly awful history isn't going to solve issues right now, that's just going to make bourgeois whites feel white guilt which is really just a pseudo-intellectual strand of masochism.

I'm not being slimy. I'm saying he's implying that Native Americans drink because they're Native Americans. If he offers no other explanatory factors, then what am I supposed to believe? That he knows such factors because he's an academic? If he's a legitimate academic, then he would address those factors; but he doesn't.

He's a child in a tweed jacket.

 

[CiG]

I'm not being slimy. I'm saying he's implying that Native Americans drink because they're Native Americans.

He didn't imply that at all.

If he offers no other explanatory factors, then what am I supposed to believe? That he knows such factors because he's an academic? If he's a legitimate academic, then he would address those factors; but he doesn't.

Why would he write a paper before telling a joke to a friend? You're being a fucking retard now.

Oops better write a paper on how retardation shouldn't be conflated with being a dense cunt online, hold on, I'll get back to you.

 

[Einherjar86]

He didn't imply that at all.

Well, he didn't give any other reason. So that's all I have to go off of.

Why would he write a paper before telling a joke to a friend? You're being a fucking retard now.

Oops better write a paper on how retardation shouldn't be conflated with being a dense cunt online, hold on, I'll get back to you.

Awww, now he needs 9000 words in order to make an intelligent comment? I didn't realize the only options were "write articles" or "make stupid comments."

 

[Dak]

Only when the circumstances of said groups are very, very different.

Oh the poor Native Americans. Tossed to and fro by circumstances. Someone let the Jews know the Holocaust was NBD.