If Mort Divine ruled the world
- Thread starter Zephyrus
- Start date
HamburgerBoy
Active Member
- Sep 16, 2007
- 15,042
- 4,850
- 113
Dak
mentat
I think there is. The fire department doesn't lie in wait giving tickets or locking people up for victimless crimes.
HamburgerBoy
Active Member
- Sep 16, 2007
- 15,042
- 4,850
- 113
They have a quasi-military chain of command, which promotes in-group favoritism, they're agents of the state, which gives them significant legal privileges, they're worshiped by the braindead proles, which means juries will never convict them, and they drive trucks with whirly lights, which sometimes gives them power over traffic. If you fuck with a fireman, you fuck with a cop's favorite brother.
Dak
mentat
I think you're overselling it a bit. I will agree that most fire services could be rolled back a bit. Modern building standards have dramatically reduced instances which require fire services. They've tried to compensate by making it mandatory to present at any and every incident imaginable *just in case*.
HamburgerBoy
Active Member
- Sep 16, 2007
- 15,042
- 4,850
- 113
I don't give a fuck about the welfare aspect. Most people are leeches, myself included. The point is that cops, firefighters, congressmen, judges, etc are above the law because they're the appendages of the state. Only they (and some wealthy people with great lawyers, the gloves of said appendages) can get away with murder.
Dak
mentat
Cops can. Not sure about your assertion about the others. Unless "murder" was figurative. But as soon as we get figurative the "getting away with [it]" explodes.
HamburgerBoy
Active Member
- Sep 16, 2007
- 15,042
- 4,850
- 113
By Chicago law, this would have been murder if I shot a 17 year old for stealing my car. No DA would ever prosecute though knowing the inevitable shitstorm that his constituents and the police/firefighter unions would unleash on him.
This is why lynch law is the most ethical form of justice in a modern society with cameras everywhere.
This is why lynch law is the most ethical form of justice in a modern society with cameras everywhere.
Dak
mentat
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/po...shooter-at-washington-state-walmart/771791480
Good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun. I would say this qualifies as "stopping a mass shooting", except of course two more victims are needed for it to qualify in a technical sense.
Good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun. I would say this qualifies as "stopping a mass shooting", except of course two more victims are needed for it to qualify in a technical sense.
The Ozzman
Melted by feels
Einherjar86
Active Member
These good guys with guns need to step up their game, because the bad guys seem to be a lot better at what they do.
EternalMetal
Active Member
- Mar 31, 2004
- 1,842
- 674
- 113
Scenario: random black dude from an urban area shoots and kills a black guy who was robbing a store at gunpoint, already having killed an employee and innocent bystander. Later it turns out both men were a part of rival gangs. Neither man had a criminal record, but the robber miraculously had a gun registered in his name.
Scenario 2: random suburban bar, guns are illegal in this state. A fight breaks out between 2 guys because one of them was hitting on his girl. Punches are thrown, man with wife gets a broken nose before the fight is eventually broken up by security.
Scenario 3: random suburban bar, gun carrying state. A fight breaks out between 2 guys because one of them was hitting on his girl. Both have guns. Man with wife pulls gun, other guy pulls gun. Man with wife is drunk and threatened and pulls the trigger, missing his target and wounding some random guy in the shoulder while he is having dinner with his wife at a nearby table. Other drunk man fires back, his bullet shatters the expensive mirror behind bar. Random guy at bar pulls out his gun and shoots both men dead; he was at the range early in the day and his aim was dead on.
Scenario 2: random suburban bar, guns are illegal in this state. A fight breaks out between 2 guys because one of them was hitting on his girl. Punches are thrown, man with wife gets a broken nose before the fight is eventually broken up by security.
Scenario 3: random suburban bar, gun carrying state. A fight breaks out between 2 guys because one of them was hitting on his girl. Both have guns. Man with wife pulls gun, other guy pulls gun. Man with wife is drunk and threatened and pulls the trigger, missing his target and wounding some random guy in the shoulder while he is having dinner with his wife at a nearby table. Other drunk man fires back, his bullet shatters the expensive mirror behind bar. Random guy at bar pulls out his gun and shoots both men dead; he was at the range early in the day and his aim was dead on.
Dak
mentat
Scenario 4: A random space alien appears in the middle of a crowded gas station where some redneck is hitting on the babymama of a gang member. The gang member pulls his gun but inadvertently reveals his gang colors, causing a rival gang member nearby to pull his gun and shoot him in the back. The redneck then pulls his gun and shoots the rival gang member. The space alien, surprised by the loud noises, vaporizes everything except the babymama of the now-dead gang member, and takes her back to Urgnatabor in the Doratru sector.
The Ozzman
Melted by feels
rms
Active Member
Dak
mentat
viewerfromnihil
Vein-Marbled Tower
Saw this yesterday, actually. The other white guy I was friends with at my HBCU posed a question to some of the alums concerning some of the problems raised here and tagged me in it. In my experience, other kids in the class room were confused (and reasonably so) when I walked into class on the first day of the semester, but, outside of a couple of one-off experiences, I never felt unwelcome, That said, I did sometimes feel as though I was imposing. Some students noticeably receded into a shell until they got to know me--not because they didn't think I should be there or because they didn't like me, but because I had the stereotypical nerdy white guy persona and were concerned about saying something incorrect or saying something that sparked a condescending reaction from me. This isn't necessarily outside of the regular classroom dynamic, but by being an outsider, it added to it. I'd also sometimes get the looking-glass feeling, like when "our struggle" was mentioned, but then I realized that it was my struggle too because I had moral skin in the game. In any case, most HBCUs will be remaining predominately black for the foreseeable future. White people still tend to feel uncomfortable on HBCU campuses, and having that community of black scholarship owhich HBCUs offer still has its place and appeal for black students.
Ultimately though, my experience there wasn't a super social one. I was busy with a full-time job and getting my transcript ready for a funded PhD program, and I lived off-campus. I did have a good experience with my history cohort and with the philosophy students, and they all accepted me as a part of the class.
It's more complicated than that, and of course you know it, but it's of course nothing exactly new in certain strains of black intellectualism. I've gotta run though, so I'll give you a longer response in the morning.
rms
Active Member
Dak
mentat
Sure and sure. I look forward to your response.
I generally remain pro-freedom-of-association. "Safe spaces" as it were created by communities of various types are fine by me. The problem comes in when it's not uniformly allowed. If a group of black people want to create a white-free space, more power to them. Just don't flip out if a group of white people want to do the same thing. Same thing goes for groups of men, women, LGBTQ+, religious affiliations, etc.
Last edited:
viewerfromnihil
Vein-Marbled Tower
Just at the outset, I want to point out that none of what I'm going to say is to mean that the end of Jim Crow was a bad thing, quite the opposite. Not the prettiest opening statement, but I want to be clear on that. Now, on your so-called "pro-segregation" thing, there were in fact unintended consequences of integration which, naturally, negatively hurt the black community while giving the white community the feel-good of solving segregation and the related social ills without actually doing so. Wealth income inequality between white and black Americans has increase seven-fold since "integration," and that's not a coincidence. Already capital starved black communities already hit with the double whammy of legal segregation and white-flight from the cities following the Great Migration suffered another blow by losing their upper-middle class demographic to whites in the suburbs after integration. Black physicians, business owners, lawyers, and so on, left, causing banks and other means necessary to participate in the economy, the means to social mobility, such as jobs, or the potential to build credit in order to buy a car or receive student loans, or even the possibility to move away to somewhere more economically vibrant, to whither away. In many places, even the grocery stores left. The coffers of majority black school districts dried up thanks to our not accidental way of funding school districts, like local taxes, thus withering away another mean of social mobility. Black children lost first-person evidence of self-potential from people they know by name in their community. Black colleges and universities lost their best and brightest (and whites weren't suddenly filing into their spots), who were now able to go to the more prestigious historically white colleges and universities to put them into a position of also moving to the white suburbs. Comparative enrollment dropped and funding dried up as state dollars moved to historically white universities, who then expanded graduate programs, causing many HBCUs to shutter their own graduate programs. And mind you, this is all in the context of children of slaves whose labor fueled the industrial apparatus that sparked the emergence of the wealthiest country of all time, many of whom today continue to live effectively under the yolk of a terror state, just as their ancestors had. And so on.
I'll save you my "the US is one giant safe space for white people" comment because I don't want to get into that debate (I grew up poor white in the rust belt with a single mother moving nomadically from one bad situation to another, so, trust me, I know that poor whites suffer too), but even in these black safe spaces, white people are free to come in and are welcomed when their intentions are pure. I studied at a black safe space. I enrolled in courses that were safe spaces for women. I marched in a safe space for LGBTQ+ and enjoyed their company at their safe spaces in their homes, bars, and clubs. How did it work out when a "safe space for white men" marched in public and confronted people who weren't white men? And yes, that last point was just a rhetorical flourish.
Similar threads
