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[HamburgerBoy]

Kaepernick: "let me make this inspirational video all about me"

https://twitter.com/Kaepernick7/status/1037387722107830272

I watched it with audio off, was he talking about himself the whole time? Because his face was only in like 10-15 seconds of that. He's basically a face of Nike's marketing right now, why else would they pay him however much money to be that face without showing it?

 

[rms]

I watched it with audio off, was he talking about himself the whole time? Because his face was only in like 10-15 seconds of that. He's basically a face of Nike's marketing right now, why else would they pay him however much money to be that face without showing it?

nah, it's actually a normal nike video. "people say your dreams are crazy, they're only crazy to them." shit like that.

then all of a sudden it pans to him and goes "even if it makes sacrificing everything"

then goes back to normal

 

[CiG]

 

[The Ozzman]

 

[EternalMetal]

In light of the recent Nike endorsement, I found this documentary:


In short, the factory workers who make Nike shoes live in Indonesia and only make about enough money to eat meagerly and live in their own shit. I remember people caring about this shit pre-Obama politics.

Nike signing Kaepernick for a social justice campaign, lmao. I don't even mind Nike's campaign, but I feel like this campaign should fail because of the blatant hypocrisy. Nike profiting from this encounter is tragic irony at its best (or worst for that matter).

 

[CiG]

I remember that documentary, pretty fucked up that the guy had to skip 3 meals for that week just to buy one shitty disposable razor and some shaving cream.

 

[Einherjar86]

That's capitalism. Bada bing bada boom.

 

[The Ozzman]

 

[CiG]

That's capitalism. Bada bing bada boom.

That's capitalism without a labour movement to be specific. They have no rights as workers like we do in the capitalistic west.

 

[Dak]

How about it's sad capitalism provides a better existence than the alternatives to sweatshops in countries with sweatshops. It's similar to the problem with the industrialization transition in England etc back in the day. Predictable income for repetitive labor which can buy consistently available goods is better for human planning than the inconsistent outcomes and highly varied labor from individual peasant farming.

 

[Einherjar86]

That's capitalism without a labour movement to be specific. They have no rights as workers like we do in the capitalistic west.

Agreed. But workers' rights are antithetical to capitalism.

 

[CiG]

How about it's sad capitalism provides a better existence than the alternatives to sweatshops in countries with sweatshops. It's similar to the problem with the industrialization transition in England etc back in the day. Predictable income for repetitive labor which can buy consistently available goods is better for human planning than the inconsistent outcomes and highly varied labor from individual peasant farming.

The real problem isn't that they work in sweatshops for nothing wages in dogshit conditions, and yes without the sweatshops they'd instead just starve, have to migrate or work somewhere else that sucks even more than the sweatshops, the biggest problem is that those companies stamp down on any kind of labour movement that might help to balance the conditions and wages out.

In that documentary they interview a man who has been trying to organize a workers' rights movement for years around that cluster of sweatshops and he's dealt with threats and physical violence. It's not Nike's fault that the management in Indonesia act like warlords and thugs, even if they should probably levy some influence over the situation or at least address it.

Agreed. But workers' rights are antithetical to capitalism.

How?

 

[Einherjar86]

How?

Capitalism gravitates toward optimum efficiency. Workers' rights interfere with optimum efficiency.

 

[CiG]

Capitalism gravitates toward optimum efficiency. Workers' rights interfere with optimum efficiency.

Oh, agreed. That doesn't mean we can't have a capitalistic society that is operated intelligently. Capitalism unrestrained is like anything else, this is why I would probably call myself a social liberal in terms of policy preference. We can have workers' rights, capitalism and social programs while trying to curb the negative aspects and excesses of all 3 things.

Indonesia's problem isn't capitalism.

 

[Dak]

Capitalism gravitates towards efficiency of achieving profits. Efficiency alone means nothing without means and ends.

 

[EternalMetal]

The real problem isn't that they work in sweatshops for nothing wages in dogshit conditions, and yes without the sweatshops they'd instead just starve, have to migrate or work somewhere else that sucks even more than the sweatshops, the biggest problem is that those companies stamp down on any kind of labour movement that might help to balance the conditions and wages out.

In that documentary they interview a man who has been trying to organize a workers' rights movement for years around that cluster of sweatshops and he's dealt with threats and physical violence. It's not Nike's fault that the management in Indonesia act like warlords and thugs, even if they should probably levy some influence over the situation or at least address it.

How is it not Nike's fault then? They choose to actively do business with people who treat their employees like shit, know about it, and act like it never happened.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Serena Williams losing to Naomi Osaka is apparently a result of the patriarchy and white supremacy.

 

[CiG]

How is it not Nike's fault then? They choose to actively do business with people who treat their employees like shit, know about it, and act like it never happened.

Because Nike didn't create the situation Indonesia is in, they just exploited it.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

White Europeans didn't create slavery in Africa, they just exploited it.

 

[EternalMetal]

Because Nike didn't create the situation Indonesia is in, they just exploited it.

Yes, and choose to support it. The point is that I don't think they should support such business practices even if it results in a higher profit. These are the types of choices the high-paid execs are responsible for making, but of course padding their pockets is more important than providing humane working conditions. Nike is culpable because they perpetuate the situation.