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The Ozzman
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https://news.sky.com/story/world-ex...g-inappropriately-with-businesswoman-11496038
Feels like all the evidence is having the opposite effect these women want
Feels like all the evidence is having the opposite effect these women want
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This is pretty funny, at first I thought it was an anti-Trumpster doing this. Either way what the fuck.
This is pretty funny, at first I thought it was an anti-Trumpster doing this. Either way what the fuck.
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Dude admits that sexual favors were offered. These ladies seem pretty damn aware of what's going on
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I'm not sure I follow. He admits sexual favors were offered--as in, he admits that he attempted to solicit sexual favors, or that his victims willingly offered...? The key word, of course, is willingly.
She clarifies exactly what the problem is with these encounters:
Even if Thompson "offered" sexual favors (which she actually didn't at all; promiscuity doesn't mean a woman owes a man sex), the problem is that she clearly offered them under duress. Predators like Weinstein exploit the advantage of their reputation and power. He knew full well the odds are that, given the sheer amount of women coming to him for financial backing, some of them are bound to cave when he pressures them for sex. Or if they don't cave, at least it can be shown that they were promiscuous.
The entire situation is weighted against them. If they reject his advances outright, they're seen as not "playing the game" or some bullshit. Thompson tried to play the game and suffered for it. I'd say the evidence shows precisely that.
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this defintion of predator is way too broad and honestly kind of foolish. I shouldnt have to point out the obvious, but Weinstein exploited what got him laid, like most men and most women.
"bound to cave" ahhh. sure, none play the game with the Weinstein's of the world. Only those that "cave" or those that leave.
she went up to a bear, knew it was a bear, and acts surprised it was a bear. This seems obvious with the fact that she was secretly taping this.
"She said: "I don't think I purposely encouraged him." -- the naive flirtatious woman!
"I think there was a combination of confidence and naivety that led me to this dynamic that we see now, watching back"
"I didn't want to blow the meeting." -- lol yeah, why have any shred of dignity
"I worked in Wall Street before I went to business school, " before we talk about her being a poor woman unable to get a leg up on the world
"In an interview, she described how she was under the impression that meeting was to potentially close the deal." -- laugh out fucking loud.
"We don't have to live with things that are illegal and abusive." -- sure as shit didnt mind as long as he didnt rape you and hand over some $'s
she even straight out lies and says she thought the second meet was for dinner / close the deal. Harvey says he wants a drink and can you meet at 530, nothing about business in that sentence. ???
how you don't realize this double standard of giving her agency of 'playing the game' while at the same time 'caving.' you can't have both.
she went to play the game. who knows if he raped her, he says these chicks all consented, she says she misinterpreted everything and that he backed her into the room, after following him around the hotel to his room, after consenting to meet him for a drink. the evidence, by just going off the video and what Harvey admits (that he did shit for sex all the time), makes me wonder how this video is supposed to make him seem worse here.
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That you see no problem with this is part of the problem.
Yes, he did exploit what got him laid, you're absolutely right. You don't have to point it out; I can see that.
The problem is that he exploited a business relationship in which he had all the cards, and coerced someone into behaving promiscuously when she felt that doing otherwise would have meant losing his financial support. If you don't see why that's a problem then I'm not sure what else I can say.
This makes no sense.
This makes no sense either. She explained why she taped it.
Accusing a woman of not having any dignity because she didn't want to blow her chances of a financial deal with one of the most powerful media moguls in Hollywood basically makes you a piece of shit. So we could talk about that, if you want.
Why wouldn't this be a reasonable assumption?
You're assuming the entire interaction was transparent, which is part of your problem.
This is always the same tired response: that victimization deprives subjects of agency while proclaiming to treat them as agents.
You clearly misunderstand what agency is. Agency isn't all or nothing. It's not like you either have agency or you don't. People have varying degrees of agency in various situations, and different social positions enjoy varying degrees of agency. She had a choice to leave the meeting, but she didn't have a choice to negotiate with Weinstein on an even playing field. So if she wanted to improve her odds, she could relinquish some of that agency (an agential choice, mind you) and hope he's not a fucking raging lunatic.
Thompson has agency but that doesn't mean she has options. Withholding sexual favors shouldn't negatively impact someone in a business negotiation; and demanding or even implying sexual favors is a form of coercion.
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I guess the women who have come out saying "These women know the game in Hollywood" type statements are being pieces of shit?
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