If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

Harvey Weinstein is fucking gross. Just reading through these stories of what people went through with him makes the skin crawl.

The main thing I would criticize all these women for is not for playing along with Weinstein's weird games but for keeping silent about what Weinstein was doing knowing full well many women will also be victims and they did it all for the sake of their careers.

 

[Einherjar86]

Guys like Weinstein being scum and these women being less than innocent about the situations are not mutually exclusive options.

I never suggested that Thompson was innocent. I think she knew full well what was going on. But I also think any fault that could potentially be laid on her is entirely dispelled by the fact that Weinstein made it so that her livelihood depended on her promiscuity (and more).

She has nothing to apologize for.

Harvey Weinstein is fucking gross. Just reading through these stories of what people went through with him makes the skin crawl.

The main thing I would criticize all these women for is not for playing along with Weinstein's weird games but for keeping silent about what Weinstein was doing knowing full well many women will also be victims and they did it all for the sake of their careers.

I sympathize with this, but also know how difficult it is to come forward in these situations (for more reasons than just one's career; it also has to do with how victims believe they're perceived by others). As we're seeing, there's strength in solidarity, and it would have been great if that had been realized sooner.

 

[CiG]

But I also think any fault that could potentially be laid on her is entirely dispelled by the fact that Weinstein made it so that her livelihood depended on her promiscuity (and more).

C'mon now. If you're being sexually harassed at work, you report it and/or quit your job and get a new one. She clearly felt the massive wages were worth it on some level.

I sympathize with this, but also know how difficult it is to come forward in these situations (for more reasons than just one's career; it also has to do with how victims believe they're perceived by others). As we're seeing, there's strength in solidarity, and it would have been great if that had been realized sooner.

Fully aware of why they didn't, I'm just not convinced by it completely. Germans hid Jews in their homes under the scrutiny of the Nazi state and these women can't come forward and expose a serial harasser operating one of the biggest companies in Hollywood? To me it seems more like it was about money and now that we live in a very progressive feminist era it's no longer a blow to the bank account to do stuff like this.

I'm not saying they're on the same ethical level as Weinstein but when it's that specific industry it's hard for me to rule out financial opportunism. It's especially fucked up because as everybody has said, there were always rumours about Weinstein, so it's not completely that these women were too scared to come out and expose him because they were whispering about it behind closed doors for years.

These are the same people that worshiped Roman Polanski openly until the #MeToo era when right-wingers started constantly bringing him up. They seem to always act in an opportunistic manner until the herd morality of Hollywood makes it financially detrimental to do so.

 

[Einherjar86]

C'mon now. If you're being sexually harassed at work, you report it and/or quit your job and get a new one. She clearly felt the massive wages were worth it on some level.

It doesn't matter. Weinstein made it part of the deal, and that's where the blame lies.

If you're being harassed at work, and it's a job you love, maybe you find ways to endure; but you shouldn't have to.

I really don't see how any of the onus is on Thompson in this case.

I'm not saying they're on the same ethical level as Weinstein but when it's that specific industry it's hard for me to rule out financial opportunism. It's especially fucked up because as everybody has said, there were always rumours about Weinstein, so it's not completely that these women were too scared to come out and expose him because they were whispering about it behind closed doors for years.

Hiding Jews in secret is very different from speaking out publicly.

The point is that men, by and large, don't have to play by the same kind of rules when it comes to financial opportunism. They've made the rules; that's just history.

If we allow the argument that women should just quit or speak up immediately when harassed, then we open the door to a mass evacuation of women from the workplace.

 

[CiG]

It doesn't matter. Weinstein made it part of the deal, and that's where the blame lies.

If you're being harassed at work, and it's a job you love, maybe you find ways to endure; but you shouldn't have to.

I really don't see how any of the onus is on Thompson in this case.

The only onus on her is that she chose money over being victimized. Other than that of course the blame is on that fat slug.

Hiding Jews in secret is very different from speaking out publicly.

Agreed, one is an actual risk to your life, the other is a risk to your public persona and your bank account. Just saying.

The point is that men, by and large, don't have to play by the same kind of rules when it comes to financial opportunism. They've made the rules; that's just history.

Not even sure what this means. These women are massively wealthy, they're not weak women trapped in a situation where it's either stand up or starve.

If we allow the argument that women should just quit or speak up immediately when harassed, then we open the door to a mass evacuation of women from the workplace.

What?

 

[CiG]

Man, if people on the left think like you more often than they don't, that women can't address a problem the moment it manifests or that they just endure harassment for their career without saying anything or leaving for a different job or workplace, I have no idea how women will ever rise above shit like this.

Women should record their interactions with fucking scumbags like Weinstein and immediately take it to the press when anything happens. These male powerhouses treat their offices like a private island where they can do whatever they want and they should live in fucking fear of being exposed. None of this will change until we get over this idea that victims can never be criticized. They let him get away with this for DECADES.

 

[Einherjar86]

Stop acting like I'm denying women agency. That's not what I'm doing at all.

The only onus on her is that she chose money over being victimized. Other than that of course the blame is on that fat slug.

And why should she be blamed for that?

Agreed, one is an actual risk to your life, the other is a risk to your public persona and your bank account. Just saying.

Agreed. And one may end up yielding no repercussions at all, the other is guaranteed to yield repercussions. Just saying.

These women are massively wealthy, they're not weak women trapped in a situation where it's either stand up or starve.

Starving isn't the issue. The issue is being permitted to operate freely in a marketplace, as supposedly the "free market" allows. Men enjoy all the opportunities of the marketplace, but women have to sell their bodies. Men aren't subjected to this. That's what I'm saying.

What?

You're telling women the option is fuck or leave.

 

[CiG]

And why should she be blamed for that?

Really?

If someone is fucking with me at work and I do nothing because I'm being paid, I'm at least partially responsible for the victimization that occurs every time after the first time because I didn't leave. We're adults.

Agreed. And one may end up yielding no repercussions at all, the other is guaranteed to yield repercussions. Just saying.

lmao.

Starving isn't the issue. The issue is being permitted to operate freely in a marketplace, as supposedly the "free market" allows. Men enjoy all the opportunities of the marketplace, but women have to sell their bodies. Men aren't subjected to this. That's what I'm saying.

Men sell their bodies every day when they work extremely laborious jobs and how many workplace deaths did it take before workplace safety even became a major workers' rights issue? Don't give me that body shit, yes women are objectified as trophies but men are objectified as tools and have been since the very start.

Working in Hollywood is a fucking privilege. They could have left in protest but people in Hollywood never do anything that actually sacrifices their income and that's why nobody protested until now because #MeToo = $$$.

You're telling women the option is fuck or leave.

No, I'm telling women their options are fuck, get fucked, expose them or leave. TBH the option I'd suggest is a swift kick to the balls and then shove a can of pepper spray up his fat ass.

 

[Einherjar86]

Really?

If someone is fucking with me at work and I do nothing because I'm being paid, I'm at least partially responsible for the victimization that occurs every time after the first time because I didn't leave. We're adults.

lmao.

If you’re an adult then you should be able to cognize the dynamics of the situation.

Men sell their bodies every day when they work extremely laborious jobs and how many workplace deaths did it take before workplace safety even became a major workers' rights issue? Don't give me that body shit, yes women are objectified as trophies but men are objectified as tools and have been since the very start.

Wow, what a fucking lame equivocation.

No, I'm telling women their options are fuck, get fucked, expose them or leave. TBH the option I'd suggest is a swift kick to the balls and then shove a can of pepper spray up his fat ass.

Ha.

 

[CiG]

If you’re an adult then you should be able to cognize the dynamics of the situation.



Wow, what a fucking lame equivocation.



Ha.

Dude, they let generations of women walk blindly into the Weinstein trap because speaking up might have potentially harmed their careers. They deserve some shit, but keep being.....

 

[Dak]

ITT Ein makes the "Just doing my job" argument for women. Didn't work in Nuremberg.

 

[Dak]

Whomstdve thunkedeth it?

Only the most brainwashed blank slater possible would think this wouldn't happen. Female Marine infantry officers are left looking for unicorns for mates.

 

[CiG]

Right-wing anti-SJW political activist/whatever Blaire White is coming out saying that people on the right have told her behind-the-scenes to pay fake protestors to give her events more attention and that interviewees have told her that they apologize for anything anti-trans they say, they don't believe it and just say it for the viewers who like it. Some people are speculating that a lot of what she's talking about in this video is actually about Dave Rubin and Milo Yiannopoulos.

If this is true wouldn't it be just truly hilarious if Milo is paying fake protestors to pull fire alarms and shut his shows down to generate controversy? I sincerely hope it's true just for how funny that would be. She even says in the video that people have told her to have really crazy protest signs made to make the protests seem especially insane.

 

[viewerfromnihil]

Not surprised. These are classic reactionary right-wing tactics and long have been.

 

[CiG]

Reminds me of that video when Andrew Breitbart exposed a bunch of fake protestors rallying at some tea party event. Activism is fucking pathetic, on all sides. The whole current Nike thing is a clear cut example that activists should be ignored, if not actively mocked.

 

[Onder]

Ok so I finally Googled what the Nike controversy is about and it's STILL ABOUT THE FUCKING NFL KNEELING? Dammit America.

 

[CiG]

Pro-free speech right-wingers are triggered by the kneeling and are now burning their Nike gear, pro-workers' rights left-wingers are going out and buying overpriced massproduced-by-Indonesian-slave-labour Nike gear to oppose the right.

 

[Onder]

Pro-free speech right-wingers are triggered by the kneeling and are now burning their Nike gear, pro-workers' rights left-wingers are going out and buying overpriced massproduced-by-Indonesian-slave-labour Nike gear to oppose the right.

That's bizarre. We can talk instead about how to draw a caricature of Serena Williams and not be called racist. Apparently the popular determinator is that the mouth must not be of bigger size than the knee.

 

[CiG]

As long as they get the booty's proportions right...

 

[rms]

That you see no problem with this is part of the problem.

whether or not i have a problem with it doesn't really matter, women have been creating and manipulating this world for quite some time and still seem to.

coerced someone into behaving promiscuously when she felt that doing otherwise would have meant losing his financial support

she seemed more than willing by her video. in fact, when she downplays the flirting at the beginning of the video Harvey's tone changes and she immediately goes "maybe later" and he gets all interested again. for the support angle, we have no idea how wealthy she was at the time but someone who claims worked on wall st before having a degree while also being gorgeous leads me to believe she had little $ money problems in her life.

This makes no sense.

This makes no sense either. She explained why she taped it.

unless it's in the video, she doesn't really say why. but it doesn't add up anyways. she said she was going to meet the marketing team and then harvey all of a sudden showed up. but she knew harvey was coming. and then she knew he was a douche, because when he went into the other room she quickly moved the laptop to capture it.

either she was protecting herself or she was going to blackmail him. this is what the bear is referencing. it's strange either way.

Accusing a woman of not having any dignity because she didn't want to blow her chances of a financial deal with one of the most powerful media moguls in Hollywood basically makes you a piece of shit. So we could talk about that, if you want.

this is a stupid response. and I think we had a thing in the past about your lack of interest in integrity or expectation or something.

she'd rather take his money and be treated like a vagina rather than walk out and attempt to be treated like a human being. that's on her, and she chose to do that. "blow her chances" -- why not just fuck him right there then? why waste any time!

Why wouldn't this be a reasonable assumption?

You're assuming the entire interaction was transparent, which is part of your problem.

it's in the fucking video? he says do you want to get a drink after i finish editing a movie. she says sure. somewhere else she says it was dinner. it is pretty damn obvious what he is after if you watch at least 3 seconds of the clip she provided.

She had a choice to leave the meeting, but she didn't have a choice to negotiate with Weinstein on an even playing field. So if she wanted to improve her odds, she could relinquish some of that agency (an agential choice, mind you) and hope he's not a fucking raging lunatic.

hompson has agency but that doesn't mean she has options.

maybe everyone thinks you deny because you clearly fucking do. agency implies options ya doofus. and harvey's uneven playing field is for the ugly women, not the pretty ones. she already took advantage of her privilege already to get the one on one.

she CHOSE to improve her odds by allowing him to make continual sexual advances at her. after the meeting she then CHOSE to improve her odds again by meeting him for drinks. whether she was raped or not who the fuck knows but she clearly made choices that directly put her in his room.