If Mort Divine ruled the world

[EternalMetal]

what about the "fully functional" and "pre-op" transsexuals?
the ones who have gone through throat surgery to have a Minnie Mouse voice/reduced Adam's apple and the "facial feminizing" surgery to have a face that looks like a Barbie doll and implants/fat-transfer to have huge boobs and a huge ass

i'm not calling that person he/him if they look like a girl till they lift up their skirt

seriously
if i'm looking at Sarina Valentina or Eva Cassini face-2-face, i'm not referring to that person as "him" or "he"

also
the ones planning on having [expensive-as-hell] gender-reassignment-surgery should be called and treated like their new gender long before they actually go through the expensive surgery

Calling someone he/she is casual and intuitive, so ill call them whatever instinct or the social situation implies. I probably wouldnt be socially rude and call a tranny a he just because he has a dick and I can tell, but ill still mentally think of the person as a dude who dresses and/or acts like a girl.

As for the post-op decked out ones that you wouldnt be able to tell unless you lift their skirt, if it doesnt come up in conversation and they pass as female, id mentally think of them as a female. Once I know, then I would think of them as a male.

The way I look at the situation now has kind of changed a little bit. I acknowledge that gender is a social construct, and therefore there probably does exist a continuum where people lie on a spectrum of man (masculinity) and woman (femininity). However, whether someone is "male" or "female" is dependent upon biology. You cant become a female through surgery (ok, if they get to the point where they can somehow naturally bear children - which is impossible with modern science - then they would, but otherwise no). Your sex cannot change, and the term "sex-change" is a misnomer for the more aptly named "gender reassignment". For the sake of not driving myself mad, I view the terms "male" and "female" as biological and not gender based. The terms she/girl/woman/lady, and he/boy/man/dude, etc. can be used as a gender descriptor and as a biological distinction, and doing so depends on context. Though I refuse to accept additional jargon additions to the he/she dichotomy until society by and large starts using other descriptors naturally (at this point I see this to be unlikely in the foreseeable future despite what whackos who took a class WANT to believe). If you want to use your terms within your friend circles, fine, but don't impose your sensitivities upon people who by and large see gender as a black and white social norm still tied to biological sex.

So as the statement is written, I agree with Baroque. The example trans you use (Sarina Valentina) is a male, but I guess I shouldnt disagree with being able to call her a girl, even if im not really comfortable with the idea.

 

[CiG]

I use trans people's preferred pronouns for my own sake, to curb confusion. If you're talking to a man who aesthetically is indistinguishable from a female and goes by a feminine name, using "he" in a conversation with them is actually contextually more confusing than using their preferred pronoun.

 

[The Ozzman]

If they have a dick, they are a dude. There is no in between for this.

 

[The Ozzman]

I guess they let randos write news articles now: https://www.thenation.com/article/george-bush-death-media-white-supremacy/

 

[EternalMetal]

I guess they let randos write news articles now: https://www.thenation.com/article/george-bush-death-media-white-supremacy/

lmao. Irony much?

I probably couldn’t write as racially self-regarding as Douthat, even if I wanted to, and I certainly couldn’t get such a piece published. I’m a black man in America, nostalgic opinions that I have that zero white people agree with are called “crimes” up in this mess.

That entire article is a fucking joke. He talks about black people having diverse opinions, and then lumps all whites into the same category of the WASP article writer. Oh, and white people tweet too many white people things, lol.

It occurs me that many white people don’t think that there is anything particularly wrong with having an opinion that people of color find unlikeable or detestable. That impulse comes from a tradition of white supremacy that tells you non-white opinions don’t matter as much as white ones.

Yes, im allowed to have opinions. I think the majority of white people hate YOUR opinions when they start with categorizing us as 'white people'. Hypocrite.

The funny thing is, that WASP article he linked to is a piece of shit written by some rich guy from money Ivy league grad with a stick up his ass, so I dont even disagree with criticizing his pomposity. Just cut the shit with all the 'white' and 'white people' crap. The guy mentioned 'white' 40 times, and 'white people' 10 times. And then used Jeff Foxworthy as an "avatar of American whiteness". Like the WASP's want any part of the common man. This guy may misunderstand white people more than I do black people.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

I use trans people's preferred pronouns for my own sake, to curb confusion. If you're talking to a man who aesthetically is indistinguishable from a female and goes by a feminine name, using "he" in a conversation with them is actually contextually more confusing then using their preferred pronoun.

this is exactly what i was trying to say
i just sometimes suck at coherently articulating my thoughts

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

yeah, it's basically the same system that turned Ein from this to the neo-communist that he currently is. Todays "academia" is flooded with people who are trying(and have somewhat succeeded) to brainwash the youth of this country

 

[Dak]

yeah, it's basically the same system that turned Ein from this to the neo-communist that he currently is. Todays "academia" is flooded with people who are trying(and have somewhat succeeded) to brainwash the youth of this country

I'm not sure how I've made it through an almost similar number of years in post-secondary/graduate education without being similarly affected. Maybe it's my general disregard of persons. Maybe it's because psychology does at least make an attempt to be data oriented (at least parts of psychology anyway).

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I'm not sure how I've made it through an almost similar number of years in post-secondary/graduate education without being similarly affected. Maybe it's my general disregard of persons. Maybe it's because psychology does at least make an attempt to be data oriented (at least parts of psychology anyway).

a rare breed. You truly do deserve some kind of recognition or award for it.

 

[CiG]

Might have something to do with family/upbringing also.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

i'd say it has more to do with the fact that he lives in reality and like he said bases his opinions off of actual facts/data. A clear sign of someone who is not mentally weak.

 

[CiG]

A person's values can't really be separated from how they were raised, I would say.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

i disagree. I know plenty of people who raised in hellholes and are nothing like the people they were raised and abused by.

 

[CiG]

i disagree. I know plenty of people who raised in hellholes and are nothing like the people they were raised and abused by.

Fair enough, but compare that to how many hellholes produce people who go on to create hellholes. I look at myself, I have no addictions, I work for myself, I have no criminal history etc. I'm a productive member of society by most standards.

99.9% of my family however are welfare leeches, drug addicts, criminals, domestic abusers, jobless etc. Sometimes making it out of a shitty situation is mathematically a miracle.

Also, if how you're raised by a family doesn't heavily impact your values, we wouldn't need to set parental standards, worry about broken families and the destruction of the family unit, there wouldn't be a measurable link between criminality and fatherlessness in the home and so on.

 

[Dak]

a rare breed. You truly do deserve some kind of recognition or award for it.

I would like to credit my years of homeschooling, but there are plenty of homeschoolers who are just as vulnerable. I'd like to credit my just above average intelligence, but I'm surrounded by people of equal or greater intelligence at this point who fail to show any healthy level of broad skepticism/critical thinking when not within their particular domain.

Many things which would have likely doomed me to other issues (growing up immersed in semi-Bircherism etc.), didn't have that effect either (or did - depends on your perspective I guess). Maybe it's an abnormal level of attentiveness to patterns and not caring much about local popularity? Over-attentiveness to pattern recognition and average intelligence appears to turn one into the worst caricature of a conspiracy theorist (whether left or right). I'm also willing to consider new things without necessarily accepting them/rejecting them out of turn, which, by my observations even surrounded by MDs and PhDs, seems like skill unattached to intelligence or knowledge (not that I use it perfectly or anything). Just so many inputs to consider.

Since you guys (CIG/TB) responded while I was typing this out, I do agree that the values thing is key, and there's a whole line of therapy that just accepts values and works with them. However, while I think the values I was inculcated with have stuck, my wife is a counterexample, valuing what she observed from more functional people while her home was kind of shitty (although she hasn't entirely abandoned things I think would be better left in a different class/era). I also, at this point, deviate from my parents on many opinions (although differentially for each, because they have diverged greatly since divorcing from both each other and where they were when I was young), because they are maybe the dumbest intelligent people I currently know. I can only assume a consequent of respective echo chambers and rationalizing lives of serially poor decisions/failing to actively achieve anything of significance. I have many siblings and there's definitely an era and a gender effect as well. My brothers and I are more similar to each other than we are to our sisters, and my close brother and I are more alike than our younger brothers.

I'm not going to lie and pretend that at least a small part of my motivation in getting into psych wasn't trying to figure out why the fuck A. I am how I am and B. Normies are so normie.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Fair enough, but compare that to how many hellholes produce people who go on to create hellholes. I look at myself, I have no addictions, I work for myself, I have no criminal history etc. I'm a productive member of society by most standards.

99.9% of my family however are welfare leeches, drug addicts, criminals, domestic abusers, jobless etc. Sometimes making it out of a shitty situation is mathematically a miracle.

Also, if how you're raised by a family doesn't heavily impact your values, we wouldn't need to set parental standards, worry about broken families and the destruction of the family unit, there wouldn't be a measurable link between criminality and fatherlessness in the home and so on.

im just saying that a persons values can definitely be separated from the way they were raised. And most of the nicest people i know are indeed people who grew up in said hellholes. Most of the biggest pricks i know were raised by super nice parents who were great people. Yes i agree parenting is a huge part of guidance, but i think they are mainly people who provide food, shelter etc the basic necessities for their children and a lot of them will look into themselves later on to find out who they truly are. If that makes any fucking senes, lol. I think the whole "youre going to be just like your parents" thing doesn't hold much weight.

Oh and i forgot to call you names or what not so FUCK YOU PAL! YOU'RE A PIECE OF SHIT THAT I'D BEAT UP etc

and just for some laughs...

 

[CiG]

im just saying that a persons values can definitely be separated from the way they were raised.

One would hope so, or I'd be 100 times worse as a human than I already am.

Oh and i forgot to call you names or what not so FUCK YOU PAL! YOU'RE A PIECE OF SHIT THAT I'D BEAT UP etc

Woah there champ, take a chill pill and take it sleazy my brodude.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... just trying to make my main man EinherCommie proud.

 

[Dak]

Ein's not a full commie. He just leans too hard .

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

He just leans too hard .

that's what that socialist sizzurp will do to you.