If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

A person's values can't really be separated from how they were raised, I would say.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

i disagree. I know plenty of people who raised in hellholes and are nothing like the people they were raised and abused by.

 

[CiG]

i disagree. I know plenty of people who raised in hellholes and are nothing like the people they were raised and abused by.

Fair enough, but compare that to how many hellholes produce people who go on to create hellholes. I look at myself, I have no addictions, I work for myself, I have no criminal history etc. I'm a productive member of society by most standards.

99.9% of my family however are welfare leeches, drug addicts, criminals, domestic abusers, jobless etc. Sometimes making it out of a shitty situation is mathematically a miracle.

Also, if how you're raised by a family doesn't heavily impact your values, we wouldn't need to set parental standards, worry about broken families and the destruction of the family unit, there wouldn't be a measurable link between criminality and fatherlessness in the home and so on.

 

[Dak]

a rare breed. You truly do deserve some kind of recognition or award for it.

I would like to credit my years of homeschooling, but there are plenty of homeschoolers who are just as vulnerable. I'd like to credit my just above average intelligence, but I'm surrounded by people of equal or greater intelligence at this point who fail to show any healthy level of broad skepticism/critical thinking when not within their particular domain.

Many things which would have likely doomed me to other issues (growing up immersed in semi-Bircherism etc.), didn't have that effect either (or did - depends on your perspective I guess). Maybe it's an abnormal level of attentiveness to patterns and not caring much about local popularity? Over-attentiveness to pattern recognition and average intelligence appears to turn one into the worst caricature of a conspiracy theorist (whether left or right). I'm also willing to consider new things without necessarily accepting them/rejecting them out of turn, which, by my observations even surrounded by MDs and PhDs, seems like skill unattached to intelligence or knowledge (not that I use it perfectly or anything). Just so many inputs to consider.

Since you guys (CIG/TB) responded while I was typing this out, I do agree that the values thing is key, and there's a whole line of therapy that just accepts values and works with them. However, while I think the values I was inculcated with have stuck, my wife is a counterexample, valuing what she observed from more functional people while her home was kind of shitty (although she hasn't entirely abandoned things I think would be better left in a different class/era). I also, at this point, deviate from my parents on many opinions (although differentially for each, because they have diverged greatly since divorcing from both each other and where they were when I was young), because they are maybe the dumbest intelligent people I currently know. I can only assume a consequent of respective echo chambers and rationalizing lives of serially poor decisions/failing to actively achieve anything of significance. I have many siblings and there's definitely an era and a gender effect as well. My brothers and I are more similar to each other than we are to our sisters, and my close brother and I are more alike than our younger brothers.

I'm not going to lie and pretend that at least a small part of my motivation in getting into psych wasn't trying to figure out why the fuck A. I am how I am and B. Normies are so normie.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Fair enough, but compare that to how many hellholes produce people who go on to create hellholes. I look at myself, I have no addictions, I work for myself, I have no criminal history etc. I'm a productive member of society by most standards.

99.9% of my family however are welfare leeches, drug addicts, criminals, domestic abusers, jobless etc. Sometimes making it out of a shitty situation is mathematically a miracle.

Also, if how you're raised by a family doesn't heavily impact your values, we wouldn't need to set parental standards, worry about broken families and the destruction of the family unit, there wouldn't be a measurable link between criminality and fatherlessness in the home and so on.

im just saying that a persons values can definitely be separated from the way they were raised. And most of the nicest people i know are indeed people who grew up in said hellholes. Most of the biggest pricks i know were raised by super nice parents who were great people. Yes i agree parenting is a huge part of guidance, but i think they are mainly people who provide food, shelter etc the basic necessities for their children and a lot of them will look into themselves later on to find out who they truly are. If that makes any fucking senes, lol. I think the whole "youre going to be just like your parents" thing doesn't hold much weight.

Oh and i forgot to call you names or what not so FUCK YOU PAL! YOU'RE A PIECE OF SHIT THAT I'D BEAT UP etc

and just for some laughs...

 

[CiG]

im just saying that a persons values can definitely be separated from the way they were raised.

One would hope so, or I'd be 100 times worse as a human than I already am.

Oh and i forgot to call you names or what not so FUCK YOU PAL! YOU'RE A PIECE OF SHIT THAT I'D BEAT UP etc

Woah there champ, take a chill pill and take it sleazy my brodude.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... just trying to make my main man EinherCommie proud.

 

[Dak]

Ein's not a full commie. He just leans too hard .

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

He just leans too hard .

that's what that socialist sizzurp will do to you.

 

[CiG]

Three 6 Maofia, my fave!

 

[Dak]

I was thinkin Paul Wall - Sittin Sidewayz.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I was thinkin Paul Wall - Sittin Sidewayz.

haha yeah same here but im still not sure if Wall was talking about sitting sidewayz in his car(switches) or sitting sidewayz on his porch after some drank lmao

 

[CiG]

I have no idea what that is.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

...


switches is in reference to cars with hydraulic setups.

 

[CiG]

I meant the song and artist mang.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I meant the song and artist mang.

which is why i linked you to the video

 

[CiG]

which is why i linked you to the video

Not bad.

 

[Dak]

https://quillette.com/2018/12/11/sad-radicals/

Poor Mort.

When I became an anarchist, I was a depressed and anxious teenager, in search of answers. Radicalism explained that these were not manageable issues with biological and lifestyle factors, they were the result of living in capitalist alienation. For, as Kelsey Cham C notes, “This whole world is based on fucking misery” and “In capitalist systems, we’re not meant to feel joy.” Radicalism not only finds that all oppressions intersect, but so does all suffering. The force that causes depression is the same that causes war, domestic abuse, and racism. By accepting this framework, I surrendered to an external locus of control. Personal agency in such a model is laughable. And then, when I became an even less happy and less strong person over the years as an anarchist, I had an explanation on hand.
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Activists anxiously pore over interactions, looking for ways in which the mundane conceals domination. To see every interaction as containing hidden violence is to become a permanent victim, because if all you are is a nail, everything looks like a hammer.

 

[Einherjar86]

Anarchy isn’t a great way of life, but it can be an immensely useful tool for interrogating the world in which we live.

I’m reading Paul Feyerabend’s Against Method right now, which basically pushes this idea to an untenable degree—but it’s still a compelling argument.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]