If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

Green New Deal as in the one Cortez is shilling?

 

[Dak]

Green New Deal as in the one Cortez is shilling?

I would hope not or he's not as smart as I presume. Probably more Obama-era subsidies for green-tech. A money-pile-fire, but less so than chasing cowfarts (to use the popular meme).

 

[CiG]

I'm not sure if there are other Green New Deals floating around besides the one we're referencing, but without any detail he said on Twitter that he's onboard.

 

[Dak]

I'm not sure if there are other Green New Deals floating around besides the one we're referencing, but without any detail he said on Twitter that he's onboard.

Sad. I'd hope that's for the primary votes. Fortunately, again, he can't actually make that shit happen himself. People need to understand what the President has the power to do.

 

[CiG]

 

[Dak]

So on Rogan Yang specifically said the $1k would not be on top of other federal welfare/SSI expenditures. Unfortunately, he wasn't clear on those bureaucracies being completely folded. Better, but still not best. What people don't understand is that the 1k will likely drive up inelastic goods costs (housing), while the VAT to cover the UBI would drive up the costs of consumer goods. Still rock and a hard place, instead of a rock. Yang is simply arguing that automation is going to create that rock and a hard place with unemployment and current pricing.

From a behavioral perspective, I'm interested in how a UBI will exacerbate, rather than help smooth inequality, even if larger economic concerns turn out to be baseless (inflation, etc). I expect a quick and permanent drop in labor force participation (in advance of automation) rather than everyone suddenly feeling "free to pursue their dreams," at least as idealized (as by Yang, for instance). Interested in possible offsets in mental health problems: less mental health difficulties from money struggles, and more due to lack of purpose and meaning.

Also interested in how joblessness with a financial cushion affects physical health. Will people find more time to live more healthily? Or will they become greater couch potatoes. Of course there's a huge interaction between mental and physical health, so that has to figure in.

 

[rms]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/

 

[Dak]

https://marginalrevolution.com/marg...e-competence-downshift-by-white-liberals.html

Internal meta-analyses revealed that liberals—but not conservatives—presented less competence to Black interaction partners than to White ones. The simple effect was small but significant across studies, and most reliable for the self-reported measure of conservatism. This possibly unintentional but ultimately patronizing competence-downshift suggests that well-intentioned liberal Whites may draw on low-status/competence stereotypes to affiliate with minorities.

Small effect, and replication crisis caveat, but good ol solid piece of confirmation bias science rah-cheer.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm pretty surprised that Yang has expanded past his fanbase on /pol/ tbh. He not only will say anything but already has promised everything. Anyone that opens their platform with the word "AI" is a joke.

 

[The Ozzman]

YANG GANG 2020 AMIRITE?! GIBS ME DAT 1,000 DOLLAS

 

[Dak]

I'm pretty surprised that Yang has expanded past his fanbase on /pol/ tbh. He not only will say anything but already has promised everything. Anyone that opens their platform with the word "AI" is a joke.

As opposed to identity politics.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

As opposed to identity politics.

At least identity politics work for electoral purposes. I'd never vote for a person that puts identity politics front and center, but I respect the hustle of those that do. Yang is just r/politics memes synthesized into a platform, backed by post-ironic /pol/ fanbase. I don't frequently feel second-hand embarrassment but listening to him speak manages to do it.

 

[Dak]

At least identity politics work for electoral purposes. I'd never vote for a person that puts identity politics front and center, but I respect the hustle of those that do. Yang is just r/politics memes synthesized into a platform, backed by post-ironic /pol/ fanbase. I don't frequently feel second-hand embarrassment but listening to him speak manages to do it.

Well maybe you're engaged in /pol/ etc, I'm not. I do know a few things about the trucking industry, and I do read about AI/automation/robotics and production/business, and I also read a fair amount of popularly available economists, and I also am somewhat on top of foreign policy. Yang is the only sane person on all of these topics of all available candidates from the Democratic Party, excluding Tulsi Gabbard, who is at least sane on FP.

 

[Dak]

I love being a "weirdo" who won't "deny white nationalism" or "the patriarchy" or "free market capitalism" or the "welfare/warfare state" while also being interested in voting for a Taiwanese man and a Hawaiian woman who promote UBI and reducing the US global military footprint.

 

[CiG]

Yang is just r/politics memes synthesized into a platform, backed by post-ironic /pol/ fanbase. I don't frequently feel second-hand embarrassment but listening to him speak manages to do it.

Now you know what it's like to see you post about politics.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Well maybe you're engaged in /pol/ etc, I'm not. I do know a few things about the trucking industry, and I do read about AI/automation/robotics and production/business, and I also read a fair amount of popularly available economists, and I also am somewhat on top of foreign policy. Yang is the only sane person on all of these topics of all available candidates from the Democratic Party, excluding Tulsi Gabbard, who is at least sane on FP.

It's as bullshit as fear over global warming. Yeah AI is getting better, yeah sea levels are rising, no there isn't any point of doing anything until problems actually foment. Doubling the already ridiculous federal budget now because AI may end all low-end service jobs in 100 years is insanity. The idea that capitalism is a system that needs to be saved at all costs is just as bullshit. Rather than empower large corporations, who will be the only ones able to afford paying workers under a UBI system, just increase food stamps and housing as needed. Private-option socialized medicine is painful enough; private-option socialized employment will be the end of personal agency. As a borderline ancap I'd prefer with Sanders' 70s desire of nationalizing everything over this eternal corporate dick-sucking.

Which popularly available economists, btw? A lot of the mainline left-leaning ones like Larry Summers and Krugman reject the MMT stuff that Yang supports, let alone non-Kenyesians. It's guys like Tucker Carlson that like to act as if automation is ending the world as we know it, not real economists.

 

[CiG]

I love being a "weirdo" who won't "deny white nationalism" or "the patriarchy" or "free market capitalism" or the "welfare/warfare state" while also being interested in voting for a Taiwanese man and a Hawaiian woman who promote UBI and reducing the US global military footprint.

Well, asians tend to be very popular among the white nats, not that I'm saying you are one or whatever. White nats also tend to favour socialist policies granted the borders are basically closed.

 

[Dak]

It's as bullshit as fear over global warming. Yeah AI is getting better, yeah sea levels are rising, no there isn't any point of doing anything until problems actually foment. Doubling the already ridiculous federal budget now because AI may end all low-end service jobs in 100 years is insanity. The idea that capitalism is a system that needs to be saved at all costs is just as bullshit. Rather than empower large corporations, who will be the only ones able to afford paying workers under a UBI system, just increase food stamps and housing as needed. Private-option socialized medicine is painful enough; private-option socialized employment will be the end of personal agency. As a borderline ancap I'd prefer with Sanders' 70s desire of nationalizing everything over this eternal corporate dick-sucking.

This is incoherent. It's not about saving capitalism, it's about changing the way the poor are financially managed at the federal level, as those ranks grow due to automation. I agree it's probably not needed now but that's not how politics work. #1: The UBI probably won't make it through Congress. #2: "Free College" or "Reparations" would be more likely to make it through, and both would also be disastrously expensive, and the former would be 110% wasteful, and the latter would further stoke divisions and resentment and be only one step removed from a UBI anyway. There's no Ron Paul riding in on a white horse, and even if one did he'd be stuck at ~3% of the vote.

Also "doesn't want to empower large corporations" but also would prefere empowering the largest corporation possibly on the planet (FedGov).

Which popularly available economists, btw? A lot of the mainline left-leaning ones like Larry Summers and Krugman reject the MMT stuff that Yang supports, let alone non-Kenyesians. It's guys like Tucker Carlson that like to act as if automation is ending the world as we know it, not real economists.

Scott Sumner, Tyler Cowen, Bryan Caplan, etc. Even Krugman on occassion. People who like Yang may have tried to use MMT for some rationale, but MMT is retarded and I haven't heard Yang mention it yet.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm totally against free college as well, but the fact that much of Europe can more or less fund it while virtually no one has managed to put UBI into practice tells me that the former is at least somewhat potentially affordable.

At least democratic governments are somewhat beholden to their constituents. I'll take a public monopoly over a private one that can arbitrarily seek 30% profit margins.

 

[Dak]

I'm totally against free college as well, but the fact that much of Europe can more or less fund it while virtually no one has managed to put UBI into practice tells me that the former is at least somewhat potentially affordable.

At least democratic governments are somewhat beholden to their constituents. I'll take a public monopoly over a private one that can arbitrarily seek 30% profit margins.

I don't see an ancapism in your statements, and what private monopoly are you talking about re:UBI?