If Mort Divine ruled the world

Already seen my leftist acquaintances parrot this bullshit. Critical thinking skills are obviously not something one acquires via a normative primary, secondary, or post-secondary education.
 
CASSETTEISGOD said:


> Trump shares a meme on Twitter
> Mainstream media and leftists everywhere fall apart

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Honestly, had this meme came from anyone else besides Trump, I don't think it would have been received as "inciting violence." Trump has a history of just being outlandish, saying crazy shit, and suggesting violence so him sharing this meme ticked people off. Should it? Well, idk. I do think this meme is pretty fucking juvenile in the worse way possible. I also think Trump needs to learn to take criticism and not try to "man handle" people or cooperations who don't see eye to eye with him. As president, it just seems dumb to call things "fake news." The right to press is part of our first amendment rights, he needs to just get better at addressing what he deems as misconceptions, instead of sharing memes like a high school-20 something year old.
 
I think it's fucking hilarious and it is absolutely annoying all the right people.

Meanwhile, Democrat and left-wing media rhetoric is actually whipping up violence, but lets all cry over memes. :lol:

I just don't get it at all.
 
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.

You have to go back to the 1970s to find the last big cycle of far-left extremism in the U.S. Both Pitcavage and McNabb say we have been in a predominantly far-right extremist cycle since the 1990s — the abortion clinic bombings and Oklahoma City, for example. And, more recently, racially motivated attacks such as the one at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, the mass shooting at a black church in Charleston, S.C., and last month's stabbings on a commuter train in Portland.
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That took less than a minute. But it's NPR, so it's probably bullshit.
 
I don't think one can neatly classify Jeremy Christian as rightwing. Voting for Bernie Sanders but praising McVeigh. Being racist isn't exclusive to rightwing politics.

Edit: Just saying such classification makes me question the classification of other crimes. Plus gotta love %s over raw numbers - and throwing in something that happened 22 years ago with "the last 10 years".
 
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That is certainly true, and it's also probably the case that one can't neatly classify antifa as left-wing, as I know right-wing people who are also anti-fascism; but that hasn't stopped the associations being made here.

I'm just trying to even out the relentless anti-left myopia in this thread.
 
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Tucson 2011?
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Loughner's high-school friend Zach Osler said, "He did not watch TV; he disliked the news; he didn't listen to political radio; he didn't take sides; he wasn't on the Left; he wasn't on the Right."[18] A former classmate, Caitie Parker, who attended high school and college with Loughner, described his political views prior to 2007, prior to his personality transformation, as "left wing, quite liberal,"[41] "radical."[42] The tone of Loughner's online writings and videos from immediately before the attack were described by The Guardian as "almost exclusively conservative and anti-government, with echoes of the populist campaigning of the Tea Party movement".[43]

Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center said that Loughner's political positions were a "hallmark of the far right and the militia movement."[44] Jesse Walker of Reason expressed deep scepticism at the connections drawn by Potok.[45] In the aftermath of the shooting, the Anti-Defamation League reviewed messages by Loughner, and concluded that there was a "disjointed theme that runs through Loughner's writings", which was a "distrust for and dislike of the government." It "manifested itself in various ways" – for instance, in the belief that the government used the control of language and grammar to brainwash people, the notion that the government was creating "infinite currency" without the backing of gold and silver, or the assertion that NASA was faking spaceflights.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner#Views_on_politics

Yeah, totally analogous, what a fucking raging Republican.

Einherjar86 said:
As far as what's wrong with that NRA ad, I find plenty. You probably should too.
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Perhaps you could just educate me on what I am supposed to be outraged about?
 
Really? :tickled:

Einherjar86 said:
That is certainly true, and it's also probably the case that one can't neatly classify antifa as left-wing, as I know right-wing people who are also anti-fascism; but that hasn't stopped the associations being made here.
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The Hell kind of ridiculous conclusion is this? I am against fascism, am I now a member of Antifa? This is like when people say oh you support equality of the sexes? Then you're a feminist.

It's low resolution to say the least and very disingenuous.
 
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CASSETTEISGOD said:
Perhaps you could just educate me on what I am supposed to be outraged about?
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You already claim to be irritated by what you see as political rhetoric inciting violence--not actions, just rhetoric.

If that video doesn't strike you as rhetorically pugnacious, then your scope needs to be reset.

It hyperbolizes the impact of mob violence in America and associates it unquestionably with the left, all the while insinuating civil unrest (if not outright hostility) and encouraging its viewers to purchase guns.

I'm not making an anti-gun argument here. I'm saying that if the NRA ad isn't rhetorically inciting violence, then neither is leftist political rhetoric. You need to accept both.

CASSETTEISGOD said:
The Hell kind of ridiculous conclusion is this? I am against fascism, am I now a member of Antifa? This is like when people say oh you support equality of the sexes? Then you're a feminist.

It's low resolution to say the least and very disingenuous.
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That's not what I was suggesting.

I was saying that the conversation in this thread has been skewed disproportionately toward what I think is a hyperbolic fear of violence coming from "the left"--blanket statement, no further specification. But there were references--and many in the past--to the violence coming from antifa as a left-wing group.

Now, in the side conversation that Dak and I had (see above), we suggested that it's often difficult to define individuals down a left-wing/right-wing divide (if anything, it's a spectrum, and even that's difficult--left-wing radicals often look like right-wing radicals). I said that the same point needs to be made about antifa, which is not a recent group but has a long history, and has not always been identifiable as left-wing or, even less so, democratic.

My comment wasn't insinuating that you were a member of antifa. I'm calling out what I see as blanket associations between antifa and the far more general, far less hostile, democratic left in America.

I consider myself left-wing, and I consider myself part of the nonviolent majority. So it's tiresome to constantly see my tribe being called the tribe of violence, being associated with antifa and rampant mob violence, not to mention gun violence against republican politicians.
 
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