Is Graveland Racist?

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Black/Hispanic/Asian/etc. pride is not simply being "proud" it is saying "Your majority culture tries to silence our cultures, we will not be silenced, we will live our lives the way we wish to"

oh wow you really have no clue as to what the fuck you're talking about do you?

This type of thinking is the fucking worst.

this.

 

[Krow]

If that is how you defend your inaction, so be it.

I hold no obligation to help you or anyone else. You don't either. You just think you do. You'll rot in the ground the same as the rest of us.

 

[Mort Divine]

ok rand

 

[The Butt]

you're incredible sometimes
same logic behind "she shouldn't have gotten drunk if she didn't want to be raped"

piece of shit

You're comparing going into the deep end of some water to getting raped. You're a fucking cretin.

Also

:danceboy:

 

[Nephilim96]

think about it in a more small scale situation

you are walking along and you see a person drowning in a lake
you know full well that you can get to the lake and save the person from drowning, but instead decide to continue walking along

your inaction caused that person to drown

The Butt may not care about whether or not a musician writes racists lyrics, but I'm sure he wouldn't be cool with a dangerous, racism-fuelled act if he saw one.

Unless he's a total piece of shit.

 

[Nephilim96]

And btw, I just noticed that Mort's avatar is kind of androgynous looking. If you look closely, it kind of looks like it could be a boy with long hair and somewhat feminine facial features.

It's perfect for him. Not hating, just funny. Isn't Mort kind of a hairy looking dude in real life though?

/Rambling

 

[Master_Yoda77]

There are more important things to argue in life than racism, sexism, and rape culture. Like which fantasy series is better and whether Iron Maiden is better than Judas Priest.

 

[Mort Divine]

There are more important things to argue in life than racism, sexism, and rape culture. Like which fantasy series is better and whether Iron Maiden is better than Judas Priest.

Classism and imperialism are more important, but racism/sexism/gender discrimination are far more important than some people here are willing to admit

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Isn't Mort kind of a hairy looking dude in real life though?

/Rambling

He has the mane of an African lion ... a very small and malnourished one though.

 

[waif]

There are more important things to argue in life than racism, sexism, and rape culture. Like which fantasy series is better and whether Iron Maiden is better than Judas Priest.

Malazan, Maiden, women are whores.

 

[Master_Yoda77]

Malazan, Maiden, women are whores.

This is my new meditation mantra.

 

[no country for old wainds]

malazan books are actually feminist as fuck lol

it would be kind of hypocritical of me to talk about racism given my past trolling but ya if you people think inaction doesn't equal complicity you're delusional. although the fact i recognise that and still do very little probably makes me even worse tbh

 

[Vilden]

Classism and imperialism are more important, but racism/sexism/gender discrimination are far more important than some people here are willing to admit

For sure. "Angry white males" who belittle people who tries to fight/debate/expose for example structural sexism are so tiresome. Narrowminded people who get butthurt because "I would never <insert something racist/sexist/etc> " therefore thinks the problem can hardly exist are pretty much on the level of the person in Morts drowning analogy.

 

[waif]

malazan books are actually feminist as fuck lol

Women in the Malazan world are the equals of men in most societies, but I don't see the books as being as aggressively feminist as, say, Robert Jordan, where women run everything and men are basically useless.

 

[Master_Yoda77]

I thought Erikson is often criticized for his portrayals of women.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i've no idea why if so, wouldn't be surprised though.

 

[Master_Yoda77]

I mean, probably tumbler feminists...

 

[MasterOLightning]

This thread isn't very much about Graveland.

It's really more of a philosophy discussion. If my passwords are all "password", do I deserve what I have coming? There's a fine line between being a dumbass and being a victim. I won't claim anyone deserves to be a victim of a crime, but there are ways to avoid crimes and victimhood. It's tough to figure.

 

[no country for old wainds]

people can use those kinds of arguments to perpetuate oppression very easily though. think of whites blaming martin luther king for getting his people killed because he was *dumb* enough to start antagonising whites with ridiculous demands. of course a way for people of colour to avoid dying during the civil rights movement would've been to stop and just accept their place at the bottom of the hierarchy, but these days we're enlightened enough to understand that societal attitudes were the problem, not the movement.

that might seem like an extreme or irrelevant example but i would argue the 'rape culture' debate works pretty much the same way; women should be able to get drunk and wear attractive clothes and just generally be themselves without fear of rape (after all, men can), and it's not good enough to say "yeah but they can't, that's just how things are, so if they don't tone it down they're stupid". there aren't many folks in the west who'd make that same argument about more patriarchal countries in, say, the middle east, where women are more obviously oppressed - "well, if she's gonna try to behave like she's not a man's lapdog then she's an idiot and deserved to be stoned to death". same principle in both cases. the focus should always be on changing the climate of fear and oppression rather than telling victims it's their fault, because the latter is essentially accepting inequality and letting it win.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

This thread is sheer gold.