Joey Tafolla

schenkadere said:
No offense, but you guys are getting a wee bit full of yourselves with all the name dropping...not impressed...and someone being cool or humble doesn't make them more or less of a player. I could drop some names that would impress in certain musical circles...but that's not the point.
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Not full of myself/ourselves at all. IA gets brought up in a thread, and kicked around (jokingly & not jokingly). I really don't care if you're impressed or not, as that's not the point.(Also no offense meant in that statement.) The fact that they are cool & humble human beings is in addition to them being great players. How many times have you met a musician whom you're a fan of (pick a genre, any genre), only to be turned off by a shitty, self serving, asshol-y, kind of attitude on a personal level. I can still respect the talents of person who is a fantastic player, composer, AND a complete douchebag, but to get to know some on a personal level because they are decent is an added bonus.

I have/had a well documented ongoing quest to get Freak Kitchen to play Prog Power (...or anywhere in the US for that matter). It started all the way back after Prog Power 1.0. I've been in contact with him for years since discovering his band while trolling pre-Lars Napster for some Frank Zappa stuff I didn't have, or already heard. Over the years, I have not only remained a fan, but I've also developed a friendship with the guys.

Nice Jeff Healy mention, btw....

Everything I said in my previous post I've said before, which was more of a joke on repeating stuff in this thread, and well, at least PMP & Razor got it, all is not lost :)

Edit: No noteriety since 1990? That might be pushing it, I'll go mid 80's!:lol:
 
See. it really doesnt matter what anyone says, there all a bunch of Zappa clones in the first place, even back as far as McLaughlin DiMeola and Morse. Even Hendirx and Healey were nothing but Albert King theives....... just ask Albert........... OK, Im an ass.

Uh.... this Freak Kitchen is some strange stuff, I like it but its freakin freaky, I cant put a finger on it, it almost reminds of ?new wave then gets pop metal sounding, then .... I dont know what the heck it is?
 
Out of the Sun was a great album. I liked his playing back in the day. I never picked up Infra-Blue though, and it seems he fell off the face of the Earth. But now he's on a comeback, apparently, which is way cool.

Does anybody have insights into the new Plastic album he released last year? I will look for it myself...
 
J-Dubya 777 said:
Not full of myself/ourselves at all. IA gets brought up in a thread, and kicked around (jokingly & not jokingly). I really don't care if you're impressed or not, as that's not the point.(Also no offense meant in that statement.) The fact that they are cool & humble human beings is in addition to them being great players. How many times have you met a musician whom you're a fan of (pick a genre, any genre), only to be turned off by a shitty, self serving, asshol-y, kind of attitude on a personal level. I can still respect the talents of person who is a fantastic player, composer, AND a complete douchebag, but to get to know some on a personal level because they are decent is an added bonus.

I have/had a well documented ongoing quest to get Freak Kitchen to play Prog Power (...or anywhere in the US for that matter). It started all the way back after Prog Power 1.0. I've been in contact with him for years since discovering his band while trolling pre-Lars Napster for some Frank Zappa stuff I didn't have, or already heard. Over the years, I have not only remained a fan, but I've also developed a friendship with the guys.

Nice Jeff Healy mention, btw....

Everything I said in my previous post I've said before, which was more of a joke on repeating stuff in this thread, and well, at least PMP & Razor got it, all is not lost :)

Edit: No noteriety since 1990? That might be pushing it, I'll go mid 80's!:lol:
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I haven't met too many successful or semi-successful musicians...I believe they've all been cool. I met Steve Morse briefly...very cool and humble. He's really the only virtuoso type...oh yeah...Al DiMeola once, but we were drunk kids and knocked on his door...he wasn't so cool...:lol:. Johnny A. seemed ok. Agnostic Front and Shadows Fall....amazingly cool guys...hung out all night with me and my son in the dressing room. I'm sure there's more...no real dicks though.
 
Meedleyx10 said:
I'd heard about him A LOT through various internet forums and from a few friends/acquaintences. It was weird because I'd go other places (like here) and people wouldn't have even heard the name, then I'd go to the Petrucci forum and see three threads about him just on the first page. I'd been hearing some hardcore Guthrie worship for a good 6 months or so before I actually checked him out and he blew any expectations I had way out of the water.

Kiko- Good metal player, I wasn't too impressed with that latin/fusion cd he did. The tapping stuff (the only one I know of that's along the lines of what you're referring to is Dark Tranquility) is cool, but bland to my ears. There are a lot of people who do that kind of thing way better than Kiko. Enver Izmaylov comes to mind. Either way, there's not really a parallel to be drawn between that kind of playing and the kind of tapping Guthrie does. With Guthrie, the right hand is just acting as more of an extension of the left than anything else. It's simply a means of getting out what he wants to say, as opposed to most guys when they do excessive tapping where what they are trying to say is "hey, look at my tapping licks kthxbye". Guthrie's tapping isn't even really a selling point to me honestly...it's what he creates musically. I don't care what a guy has in his/her bag of technical maneuvers so much so long as it sounds good by the time it reaches my ears. Back to Kiko, I don't really want to play the "this guy vs. that guy" game, but as long as both he and Guthrie are the topic at hand...when I listen to Kiko, 95% of the time I feel like I'm listening to a guy who spend a lot of time shedding his licks. I feel like I'm listening to a guy who's thinking "okay, I want to play a 16th note phrase here...1-e-and-uh 2-e-and-uh....." With Guthrie, I don't even feel compelled to think about any of that kind of stuff. I just hear a guy with an uncanny "flow" to his playing. He's having a well-articulated conversation with his guitar. Sure, Guthrie does have more impressive chops, but if that's all I cared about then I'd be torching a lot of my CD's right now.

Jeff Healy- YOu might as well have compared Guthrie to Kerry King or something. Good for him for coping with a disability and all but in the end that means jack shit to me. I make a point to not look at my hands much when I perform because I think looks tacky and unprofessional in many cases, but I don't think that puts me in any exalted position. The fact that he's blind might affect him, but it certainly doesn't affect me. The whole playing-on-the-lap thing is interesting, but that's just how he naturally developed his playing. It's no more impressive to me than people who play left handed: that's how they've always done it, it's nothing special nor is it anything that any of us couldn't have done if we had played that way from day 1. Nevertheless, Jeff is another person I listen to without thinking any thoughts about chops, technique, etc. There's a lot more to him than "that blind guy who plays on his lap"...he's got a good feel about him and plays what he means. I'm not much of a fan and I don't own any CD's nor do I plan on owning any in the nar future, but I do think he's a good player.
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I'm not a big fan of tapping.

I agree...Kiko isn't a real smooth player...everything sounds too choppy and deliberate...not much flow. Just not my thing.

I feel that way about the Infra Blue album as well...along those lines, Blues Saraceno does a much better job.

I think being blind would simply make life more difficult and a challenge. You may not look at your fretboard now, but when you started playing you sure did...checking fret markers, counting frets and all. He had to learn by ear, not shape and pattern. Finding materials to aid in learning must have been impossible...I think it's a great triumph and impressive regardless of how anyone feels about his playing or style.
 
schenkadere said:
I feel that way about the Infra Blue album as well...along those lines, Blues Saraceno does a much better job.

I think being blind would simply make life more difficult and a challenge. You may not look at your fretboard now, but when you started playing you sure did...checking fret markers, counting frets and all. He had to learn by ear, not shape and pattern. Finding materials to aid in learning must have been impossible...I think it's a great triumph and impressive regardless of how anyone feels about his playing or style.
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+1 on all of the above
 
I own Infra Blue and Out of the Sun, listening to them now its hard to imagine what I saw in some of those guys back in the day (Im 33). To me those albums are very bland..
 
Ya know... I've always felt that way about the flat out shredder. I spent some time listening to bits and pieces of most of the highly acclaimed "shredders" a few night ago and found them all to be way too dry. Seemed like nearly every example or attempt of "feel" showed up by means of three of four bends in a row held with vib for two beats apiece. Then right back into zooming.... bah.... I just dont know, makes me want to go listen to some Clapton or Trower or [fill in the blank] ______
 
Joe Pass
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you know... its an awe inspiring ability that is void of soul
the shredders disease
 
I by no means consider myself a shredder...but I think most guitarists that put down shredders do so because they don't have the ability themselves, but would secretly love to tear it up and turn heads.
 
While that is a 50% valid point, and I am certainly no shredder nor much of a solo man period. The statement that its "envy" is at the other end of the extreme from the statement that shredders show less than enough passion. Its not rare to hear people say that either, sometimes its like "dude... where are you going with this?, let it friggin breath " I'll always prefer the players that mix it up as well as those with a bluesy edge or at least show a glimmer of the passion that exists in the blues. I mean measure after measure after measure of flurry turning into minutes becomes dry... I dont care what anyone says. Not one of my "favorite all time solos" belong to a "shredder", and its not due to my lack of natural ability, its based on what my ears hear, whether it speaks to me or not. **make note that my first post was written as "flat out shredder".**
 
razoredge said:
While that is a 50% valid point, and I am certainly no shredder nor much of a solo man period. The statement that its "envy" is at the other end of the extreme from the statement that shredders show less than enough passion. Its not rare to hear people say that either, sometimes its like "dude... where are you going with this?, let it friggin breath " I'll always prefer the players that mix it up as well as those with a bluesy edge or at least show a glimmer of the passion that exists in the blues. I mean measure after measure after measure of flurry turning into minutes becomes dry... I dont care what anyone says. Not one of my "favorite all time solos" belong to a "shredder", and its not due to my lack of natural ability, its based on what my ears hear, whether it speaks to me or not. **make note that my first post was written as "flat out shredder".**
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I agree mostly...but shredding can be heard as passionate to another's ear. I'm with you, but I don't dismiss the shred factor...it can be very effective...the more tools, the more one can create.
 
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