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hello everybody...
I havent got the album Lionheart yet, there was that stupid CD -shop 'Music Store' that just lost my ordered copy ... (how is that possible gonna take his balls off from that bloke (?), at least if he has got any ) fucking shit, two weeks before I already ordered..(2 months wating before that already so I said you can piss off fucking 'Music Store!!!! No problem I withdrew the ordered CD and just went to another cd-shop, tomorrow I will receive it....gladly there are still good cd-shops my fingers are all eaten now, from the nerveous waiting... my review in a couple a days good people!
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soon....................
I havent got the album Lionheart yet, there was that stupid CD -shop 'Music Store' that just lost my ordered copy ... (how is that possible gonna take his balls off from that bloke (?), at least if he has got any ) fucking shit, two weeks before I already ordered..(2 months wating before that already so I said you can piss off fucking 'Music Store!!!! No problem I withdrew the ordered CD and just went to another cd-shop, tomorrow I will receive it....gladly there are still good cd-shops my fingers are all eaten now, from the nerveous waiting... my review in a couple a days good people!
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soon....................Well for starters Gregger picks out Witchfinder General as the only good song cos all the REST is Eurometal. Witchfinder General is probably one of the most "Euro" songs Saxon have ever done ... blistering double-bass drumming and teutonic riffs (I compared it to Grave Digger ages ago on here and I've since seen that comparison made in several reviews online and in magazines).
Songs like Man and Machine are traditional Saxon by comparison!
Now its true that Saxon have incorporated some Power metal influences into their sound, inevitable since they have now been touring with those kinds of bands for years. And that's going to please some people and piss off others. But you can hardly just dismiss the band and write off their entire album because their influences now aren't the same as in the WoS days! If every album was filled with songs that were just rehashes of Motorcyle Man (as good as it is) then it would be time to think about retiring. Thank god that's not the case.
I'll agree that Lionheart the song isn't really my cup of tea either, but I love the rest of the album.
Oh yeah, Motorhead's Inferno and Blaze's Blood and Belief were shit hot, haven't heard the Tank. Blaze are dead in the water already though, aren't they?
Songs like Man and Machine are traditional Saxon by comparison!
Now its true that Saxon have incorporated some Power metal influences into their sound, inevitable since they have now been touring with those kinds of bands for years. And that's going to please some people and piss off others. But you can hardly just dismiss the band and write off their entire album because their influences now aren't the same as in the WoS days! If every album was filled with songs that were just rehashes of Motorcyle Man (as good as it is) then it would be time to think about retiring. Thank god that's not the case.
I'll agree that Lionheart the song isn't really my cup of tea either, but I love the rest of the album.
Oh yeah, Motorhead's Inferno and Blaze's Blood and Belief were shit hot, haven't heard the Tank. Blaze are dead in the water already though, aren't they?
mmrnau, wrong!
After Motorcycle man(so Wheels of steel ) came:
Strong Arm (10!)
Devim and Leather(10)
Power and the glory(10)
Crusader(5)
etc etc
Solid ball (8)
So you see they boys didn't retire on Wheels of steel. Instead they did 10's
After Motorcycle man(so Wheels of steel ) came:
Strong Arm (10!)
Devim and Leather(10)
Power and the glory(10)
Crusader(5)
etc etc
Solid ball (8)
So you see they boys didn't retire on Wheels of steel. Instead they did 10's
Yeah I'd like to see Blaze survive but at the moment it's not looking good.
sapator, Strong Arm and Denim had the same vibe and influences as WoS. Power and the Glory changed a bit and was still good. But even the most recent album you list, Solid Ball, was very much a "classic rock" sort of album that probably wouldn't have been appreciated as much if it was released today, 15-ish years later. What I'm saying is that the band couldn't keep that kind of sound forever if they didn't want to stagnate. I'm aware that not all classic rockers are into the Power metal sound, and I can respect that. But that doesn't make the album shit! And I certainly don't think it is a commercialised album as has also been suggested.
sapator, Strong Arm and Denim had the same vibe and influences as WoS. Power and the Glory changed a bit and was still good. But even the most recent album you list, Solid Ball, was very much a "classic rock" sort of album that probably wouldn't have been appreciated as much if it was released today, 15-ish years later. What I'm saying is that the band couldn't keep that kind of sound forever if they didn't want to stagnate. I'm aware that not all classic rockers are into the Power metal sound, and I can respect that. But that doesn't make the album shit! And I certainly don't think it is a commercialised album as has also been suggested.
Fingers
Member
Can I just add if this whole thread is truly and I tend to agree with Pax it might be, a bit of a "Mickey Mouse" is better than Biff's SAXON thread.
Could I please suggest that when Mickey "O/D" Mouse release anything relevant that you then come back on here and say Lionheart is cr@p.
Could I please suggest that when Mickey "O/D" Mouse release anything relevant that you then come back on here and say Lionheart is cr@p.
MMurnaou read carefoul. I DID NOT SAID THAT LIOHEART IS CRAP!!!
And it goes on. So they changed their sound ? And they couldn't go on like this forever?!
AC/DC,JudasPriest(hopefullly),RunningWild,Maiden,Helloween,Motorhead! They DID NOT CHANGE THEIR SOUND(well maybe a liitle bit)!And they go on man!
And don't try to make me look like a hater of Lionheart.The album for me is average but not shitty, OK?
Fingers if you are refering to Mickey Dee then DROP DEAD!Thank you.
If not i didn't understand and sorry.Recompile.
And it goes on. So they changed their sound ? And they couldn't go on like this forever?!
AC/DC,JudasPriest(hopefullly),RunningWild,Maiden,Helloween,Motorhead! They DID NOT CHANGE THEIR SOUND(well maybe a liitle bit)!And they go on man!
And don't try to make me look like a hater of Lionheart.The album for me is average but not shitty, OK?
Fingers if you are refering to Mickey Dee then DROP DEAD!Thank you.
If not i didn't understand and sorry.Recompile.
And FOR GODS SHAKE!PLEASE SOMEONE ANSWER THE STRONG ARM THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on as a Saxon lunatics you should know the answer.ANSWER NOW!
Come on as a Saxon lunatics you should know the answer.ANSWER NOW!
This thread was started by me. I saw O/D saxon once and they were OK, an OK nite out.
Metal music, inc Saxon, has influenced my life immensley and I'm expressing my dissapointment in what I see as recored company pressure and finacial desire forcing bands to produce substandard work. You could cull Metalhead,KG and LionHeart to make one great album. Didnt Biff say in the 80's they should have made 6 albums and not 10 etc
Metal music, inc Saxon, has influenced my life immensley and I'm expressing my dissapointment in what I see as recored company pressure and finacial desire forcing bands to produce substandard work. You could cull Metalhead,KG and LionHeart to make one great album. Didnt Biff say in the 80's they should have made 6 albums and not 10 etc
I think Gregger is the only one with a clue in here.Althought i desagree in some points (They should have made 20 albums and not 6 back then!).
And i will go to the gig btw.And just leave me alonee aaaaa!
And i will go to the gig btw.And just leave me alonee aaaaa!
Fingers
Member
Chill out Sapator ....................sapator said:
Mickey Mouse or MM are terms long time users of this board use to describe Mickey Mouse Saxon which in turn = Oliver Dawson Saxon.
How the fudge does MM refer to Mikkey Dee who is the awesome Motorhead drummer???
Apology accepted but please calm down you'll give yourself an ulcer man..
Fingers
Member
Fair point Gregger but In the early 80's the pattern for every band was ............... Album Tour, Album Tour, Album Tour ! But in fairness this album has been 3 years coming, I wish my bosses would put me under that kind of pressureGregger said:
In my opinion there are a number of good strong Saxon songs on this album and not much filler, but realistically how many albums by any band in any genre do you get these days where they could release all the tracks as singles (if singles sales were still relevant.) ????
No, I know it wasn't you who started the thread, I was just trying to reply to your post by saying that just because a band sounded a certain way in the early 80s, and maybe the early 90s, doesn't mean they could manage (or would even want to) continue putting out albums with that kind of sound indefinitely.sapator said:
Maiden, for example, have changed their sound since the early days, and not in the same way as Saxon. This seems to work quite well for them. Motorhead are unchanging by comparison, but they have a large and totally loyal fanbase which Saxon lost many years ago, and are, in any case, a bit of a "one off" band. Their style of success could not be easily replicated by anyone else.
So, for Saxon to try to sound "fresh" and attract some new fans to replace the many they lost over 15 years ago, I don't think they could go for the exact NWOBHM sound any more, even though they always carry it with them in spirit. That's just my opinion, but it seems to have worked for them, especially in Europe where they can now headline things like Wacken, for example.
Now if your point is that the old NWOBHM / blues rock sound could have brought Saxon back from the grave anyway, I would have to disagree. The main evidence is in O/D, who have written several new songs in that vein but whose visibility (anywhere, not just in this country!) is pretty low. There's always been a joke on here about O/D playing Butlin's, but a few months ago I saw an advert for exactly that. That's not what I want for Biff's Saxon, and if Power metal is the way to go to achieve a new audience then so be it.
If your point is simply that you don't like the album; its nothing to do with the style but simply to do with not liking the individual songs, then hey-ho. This happens sometimes. Listen to Heavy Metal Thunder instead or something. I listen to both anyway.
Mmurnau if they did a NWOBHM efford and the songs were good like old times i don't think that anyone will be diassapointed. If you have the wacken DVD Biff said they will stop in 5 years. So they could have made i good old Saxon album for all the funs that loved them and their music.
Anyway read the Attention Saxon and biff post to end this.
Anyway read the Attention Saxon and biff post to end this.
I wouldn't have been disappointed with a NWOBHM album either, speaking purely personally.
You've now made me wonder how long ago that interview with Biff was recorded. If it was recorded in 2001 along with the concert then we only have a couple of years to go!
Thankfully Saxon don't even respect setlists never mind predicted career boundaries.
You've now made me wonder how long ago that interview with Biff was recorded. If it was recorded in 2001 along with the concert then we only have a couple of years to go!
Thankfully Saxon don't even respect setlists never mind predicted career boundaries.
Hi,
at least before the DVD was finished so...2 years ago? But he was more asking himself after he got the question: "How long can we go on? I dunno, maybe five years?" (or somthing quite similar), and he is talking a bit about the points being valid for going on, or retireing. With them pushing the new record that hard, I honestly doubt they think about retirement....hopefully they go one for another few years.
at least before the DVD was finished
so...2 years ago? But he was more asking himself after he got the question: "How long can we go on? I dunno, maybe five years?" (or somthing quite similar), and he is talking a bit about the points being valid for going on, or retireing. With them pushing the new record that hard, I honestly doubt they think about retirement....hopefully they go one for another few years.
Eagle
Raging Heathen!
Basically Lionheart is a bloody great album.
I think people need to realize it's not 1983 anymore.
I think people need to realize it's not 1983 anymore.
