LOL. I bought one....

[LSD-Studio]

I guess I just have different expectations from amps... like 'doesn't have to sound like a tube' or something along those lines. Tubes just don't do anything special for me.

Which Crates did you have, and did you run them through anything but the stock speakers (like impulses) for very long? Those speakers aren't the best, by any shot, so trying one of the Evolution 5 amps into a good cab or impulses might be a pleasant surprise.

Jeff

When I studied physics at the university I've had the exact same opinion (at least for the first 3-4 semesters) thinking "why are ppl so stupid, all the downsides, non-linearities...", "a transistor can do all the thing a tube can but more predictable and cheaper"....

then I learned more about acoustics and the human physiology and realized that the human ear/brain processes those linearities differently than more "diffuse" stuff and that for the human ear it's those non-linearities that make a sound "warm" and "pleasing"...

that doesn't contradict your physics and you ARE ALLOWED to like tubeamps without looking less "smart" and you can still be aware of all the physics and downsides behind it

 

[Metal Overload]

I'm just reiterating nwrights comments because it seems like Metal Overload didn't see them

Oh yeah, i saw them.

 

[scorpio01169]

Everything I've been reading online from users is that they are dying. The only dude I know who still has a working one is the guy on here.
I've read dealer posts that say the tubes they ship with are bad, and caps are leaking/busting, etc.

So, to me to NOT be a naysayer, the amp just has to hold up, which so far I haven't seen.

Please post your sources, I'm sure most of us would like to see them.

 

[Emdprodukt]

my friends 6262 broke after one week. We don't know what exactly was the problem. while rehearsal his amp got quieter and quieter. sound got crappy. Guess something about the tubes. He got a new one last week, let's see how long this one works

 

[nwright]

Please post your sources, I'm sure most of us would like to see them.

Do a search on harmony central. Some of the dudes even posted pics of the guts after the cap busted. There's also a dealer on there that had made mention of several returns not long after they sold.

There's also reports of the tubes they ship with being bad.

Also, there was a guy or 2 on the esp forums that bought them and it lasted 8 days I think.

I'm not going to go back and cite them all, it's pointless, and it's just as easy for anyone else looking to actually buy one to do the research. I'm just restating what it seems like I've read.

I'm not saying every single one will or has failed, there's a guy on here with one that's still working. But, for the few that are already out there and being discussed, many are breaking down. None of it has to do with the tonal qualities - many dudes say they sound great.

*shrugs*

 

[scorpio01169]

i read those ones from harmony central and again the threads are not from actual users. most of them are from friends of friends. i think i will wait till someone who actually owns one gives some first hand feedback.

 

[nwright]

^probably so, but definitely not all of them...And, enough bad press to steer me away for a bit.

But do a search for GrayEyes777 or something like that on HCAF. I know his failed, he posted pics, the dealer dude that reported many returns and then the guy or 2 on the ESP forum that said it lasted 8 days or whatever.

Obviously, as is the case on many forums there are the gossip-y types (and maybe I'm adding to it with these posts), but there are MORE than enough dudes who've actually bought them with problems that make me not want to get one.

I've also read some dudes speculate about how there are more failures with the amps here in the states with differing voltage and what have you. Who knows.

 

[nwright]

The same a lot of people said about the B-52 AT100, and the thing is a Tank

I know 3 guys locally (just recorded a band with one of the dudes last month) who have had At100's and they literally "blew up" according to them...Smoke and all.

It all could be coincidence in any case.

People slagged Madisons all they could about a year and a half ago on HCAF, but mine is 100% rock solid and has never, ever given me problems.

IMO, it pretty much looks like an AT100 on the inside (not exact schem, but same origin, etc.).

 

[Metal Overload]

Yeah dude, maybe coincidence, my AT100 is a rock, even with mixed power tubes, i have almost a year with it, buy it used, and i give it a lot of use, i rent my equipment, and i have rented it to about 10 gigs, with a lot of kid-o bands, you know this kids dont now about how to take care of an amp, and the thing has handle it all.

It also depend on the guy who own it, i know guys that has blown amps because they are jackasses with their gear, in this cases, doesn´t matter if you have a bugera or you have a mesa boogie, if you drop it to the floor or if you are so dumb to put your beer on it while you are giging or rehearsing and "accidentally" drop it with your arm to the amp, that "Roadworthy" stuff turns to a completely insiginificant shit. also depends if you gonna use it live, or studio/rehearsal/bedroom.

The money factor here is huge, im tempting to buy this because the price, not for being a bugera, or for being a shameless copy of the peavey, some say for that price you can get a used 6505, but again is used, you never know what use the thing has, of course i prefer the peavey.

However i will wait some more time to buy it, i think is too soon for a judgment, and as always expect the reviews from here, because is the better place for a trusty review from guys who knows their stuff.

 

[JBroll]

Do a search on harmony central.

I think he was talking about sources that weren't full of shit...

Jeff

 

[mattisfrommars]

I think he was talking about sources that weren't full of shit...

Jeff

"I bought my MG100 yesterday and it completely blows a Dual Rec out of the water in terms of volume, but most of all TONE"

 

[Sloan]

"I bought my MG100 yesterday and it completely blows a Dual Rec out of the water in terms of volume, but most of all TONE"

 

[nwright]

I think he was talking about sources that weren't full of shit...

Jeff

You're right.

A dude who actually owns one and POSTS PICS of the problem he had is a completely unreliable source.

So is a dealer who is seeing them coming back...

HCAF is a "take it with a grain of salt" kind of place, I'll agree. But some of it is legit. Spend more than 2 seconds there and it's pretty easy to see who may have a clue.

Also, I'm interested in these amps as well, as anything cheap but toneful is a useful tool in my book. I'm not hating on the amps "just because"...I would love to see these things be rock solid and dependable, and it's country of manufacture bears no weight on my opinion.

 

[AdamWathan]

You're right.

A dude who actually owns one and POSTS PICS of the problem he had is a completely unreliable source.

So is a dealer who is seeing them coming back...

No shit!

 

[scorpio01169]

It also depend on the guy who own it, i know guys that has blown amps because they are jackasses with their gear, in this cases, doesn´t matter if you have a bugera or you have a mesa boogie, if you drop it to the floor or if you are so dumb to put your beer on it while you are giging or rehearsing and "accidentally" drop it with your arm to the amp, that "Roadworthy" stuff turns to a completely insiginificant shit. also depends if you gonna use it live, or studio/rehearsal/bedroom.

The money factor here is huge, im tempting to buy this because the price, not for being a bugera, or for being a shameless copy of the peavey, some say for that price you can get a used 6505, but again is used, you never know what use the thing has, of course i prefer the peavey.

However i will wait some more time to buy it, i think is too soon for a judgment, and as always expect the reviews from here, because is the better place for a trusty review from guys who knows their stuff.

+1. i am just wondering what these guys are doing to blow shit up. there is a guy on harmony central that claims he has a "friend" that owns tons of behringer gear and 90% of it is broken or blown up. the problem i have with that.....is i have tons of cheap ass gear and none, zilch, never has any of it just blown up. i use the stuff all the time. of course i dont abuse it by throwing it around, i use it what it's for.

 

[imaginarybooks]

Jammed on a 333xl if memory serves me correctly, and it murdered the tone of my Powerball for what I want. It was so much thicker, richer and easier to dial in. The amp has been lying around the shop for a while and it gets abused by the shop staff (for example switched on without a load attached) still works fine, although I will see upon 2nd test.