Males and Females

I totally agree and appriciate your approach, but realitsically a very small number of woman make the distinction you make. Or they just like to make the guy work for them. Or it's a matter of wanting what they think they can't have. Whatever the reason, the vast majority of women are turned off by guys that conact them too quickly or frequently at first.

Yeah, I can see that being a hard part of being a dude.
 
basically being dependent on your current romantic pursuits for life satisfaction/happiness (like The Butt or Ozzman in their recent posts) would be what I consider "desperate."

Eh, I'm not actively seeking a serious relationship right now. I have too much internal shit to work out that a relationship would be detrimental to anyone involved.

I'm waiting a good while to get back into it.
 
That's the way to go. I waited until being comfortable with myself to get into a relationship and it's made all the difference. Now instead of burdening someone with issues of depression and self-esteem, my only relationship problem is mutual and natural: being scared of vulnerability and dependence.

It's not easy, since I have a natural tendency to watch others for deception, and so does she, but we can't really help opening up automatically when we talk. I always thought this feeling was something I could only find by fooling myself, but it turns out I was wrong. It's been about a month and we're more mentally and emotionally synchronized than any relationship we've been in ever. Everything she's feeling, I'm feeling. Even after it's happened a bunch of times, I'm still wrapping my head around someone who on a regular basis says what I'm thinking.

That kind of thing is definitely worth time alone to get comfortable with oneself.
 
Amazing 36 hours. My cousin invited me to a shroom party at a friend of a friend's house. Turns out to be this cabin way up in the hills. This beautiful woman who just moved from Ontario to LA lives there. She's really into yoga and has a really toned body. Every time we look at each other our eyes lock pretty intensely.

A few hours into the trip I'm lying on a bed and she comes and joins me. We just look into each other's eyes and smile at each other for a really long time. We make out and cuddle and talk about really powerful and personal stuff.

Then later this chubby chick who I had been talking to earlier comes over, starts talking to me about music and then just grabs my dick and kisses me, which is not cool because I'm totally not into her and gave her no fucking signals and to top it off, the yoga girl is in the room.

Anyway, me and the yoga girl keep hugging and bonding. She lets me sleep over, but no sex, because she's in love with someone else. So that's a definite downer, but at least she was straightforward about it. And regardless, we're bonding on a very primal level.

Today we just kicked it, cuddled and watched movies. We still make eye contact for absurdly long amounts of time and at one point we just stop and stare at each other for what I would guess was 20 minutes, but honestly I'm not sure how long it was.

Whole experience was just so amazing. I can't remember connecting that deeply that quickly with another person. It's amazing how easy it is to connect with another human being when both people are open to it. Just a really beautiful experience and she's a really beautiful person. Really sucks that she's in love with someone else though and the no sex part is frustrating because I feel like it would amazing if it did happen. But either way, I feel really happy on so many levels to have met this person and am very interested to see where the friendship/ romance/ whatever it ends up being goes.
 
HAHAHAAHHAAHHAHHA

This thread keeps getting worse and fucking worse. That bitch wasn't in love with some other dude, she was just starved for attention and wanted you to be her little cuddle play toy for the night.

Are you fucking serious?!
 
I just spent about 5 debaucherous days with German girl. Had shitloads of fun. I went and met her at the bar she works at on Friday night and spent the next however many days drinking and hanging and fucking and going out and seeing bands and laughing and wrestling and giving each other shit. She also likes metal and just good music in general and introduced me to lots of good stuff I haven't heard. She has a great sense of humour and after I drunkenly professed my undying love for her at some point she proceeded to give me shit about it regularly for the rest of the time we hung out. I'm pretty much sure that nothing serious can or will come of this as she's most definitely a 'free spirit' but I'm just trying to have as much fun as I can with her while she's around.

Sigh. :Spin:
 
People want what they can't or won't have. You may have intuitively sensed this from the onset which is why you're trying to have such a good time with her. Sucks bro, just make the most of it. This has happened to be a couple times as well.
 
Lol fat chicks.

... and if she has the hots for somebody else, why would she make out with you and then not fuck you?

Yeah fuck that fat chick. The worst part is she tried it twice in a row. Probably would have tried it again if I didn't get up.

It doesn't sound like they're in a defined relationship, so maybe that's as far as she feels like she can go without compromising what thy have. I don't really know and didn't really want to inquire beyond what she told me.

Wait, what?

Did you forget to tell us you were both high on mescaline or something?

Didn't do any drugs yesterday, so we were totally sober when that happened.

HAHAHAAHHAAHHAHHA

This thread keeps getting worse and fucking worse. That bitch wasn't in love with some other dude, she was just starved for attention and wanted you to be her little cuddle play toy for the night.

Are you fucking serious?!

I can see why you would think this but she definitely didn't make up the other guy. It is possible that she wouldn't have sex with me even if it wasn't for the other guy, but I'm not sure at this point. Either way it felt amazing being intimate with her and I feel like I learned more about what it means to be a human being from the whole experience.
 
If that's really the case then it's all the more necessary that both of you put a moratorium on talking to each other for a good long while. She just happens to be more resolute than you on this approach.

If you claim to have these emotions, then you should have the gumption to commit to what I propose above.

I want to, but it's really difficult. I still think about her often. I'm starting to regret going out with her for as long as I did because of the fact that I fall really fast in relationships (a fault I'm fully aware I have)

She's playing with your heart. And you want her to be your friend?

I'm a terribly forgiving person. Hell, she cheated on me while she was with me, for a guy who goes to her university. I forgave her for it. Goes to show how much of a pushover I can be.

See above. She clearly values you less as a person.

Feels like she does indeed. I don't think she values me very highly at all, but I'm still just drawn to her... even if just for friendship.

Then be glad she isn't talking to you that much. You're setting yourself up to fall on your face. Normally people don't expect much if any contact with their ex's much less expect their ex to initiate contact with them. Set your eyes elsewhere. Your expectations show that even if you 'understand' it won't work with you two, you would still fall for it if presented to you.

I would never go back out with her. Never ever.

The main reason I "expect" her to initiate contact is just cause I hate being on bad terms with people. Especially people I grew to be really intimate and close to. :/ Makes me feel like it's somehow my fault all these bad things happened.