Males and Females

[MasterOLightning]

It's amazing to me how many self proclaimed "nice guys" think exactly like Elliot Rodger. The sense of entitlement pisses me off more than anything in this world. Misogyny is disgusting. He wasn't diagnosed with any mental illness, so I am not claiming his actions were a result of such. & nowhere on the DSM-V does it say misogyny is a prerequisite. He's a scumbag, to be honest, who felt entitled to pussy because he was a wealthy male. :/

How common do you actually think this is? Let's arbitrarily select men between 18-29 for this estimate and hope that as they get older than that they have more realistic ideas about how the world works.

Personally, I don't get the entitlement thing and feel like a lot of women unfairly ascribe it to men who complain about their situations with women. (With situations like Rodger clearly not being that.) I think a lot of these men are likely to internalize their failings (perceived or real) into self-loathing and feel the opposite of entitlement. It's difficult for a reasonably adjusted male to feel any entitlement in a culture where where women have way more sexual agency.

Either way, shitbags like Rodger just make it worse for everyone. I would be very hesitant to use the lack of a medical diagnosis to mean that he was simply an asshole. I won't make a diagnosis, but I think it's dangerous to think that people like him don't need real therapy and medication and were just a-holes.

 

[SentinelSlain]

He was supposed to have Aspergers and people at the far end of the spectrum really can't deal with human interaction very well at all.

 

[waif]

Rodgers was a textbook narcissist. He wasn't diagnosed, but he probably will be after an examination of his writing and videos.

He reminds me of Arg.

Nice try at the redirect. Aug doesn't seem to have a problem with women the way you do.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

He reminds me of myself (minus the violence and misogyny).

 

[Eligos]

Fuck, I'm glad I don't know anyone IRL that he reminds me of.

 

[arg]

his "manifesto" is so strikingly similar to SS's rants it's scary

My two housemates were nice, but they kept inviting over this friend of theirs named Chance. He was black boy who came over all the time, and I hated his cocksure attitude. Inevitably, a vile incident occurred between me and him. I was eating a meal in the kitchen when he came over and started bragging to my housemates about his success with girls.
I couldn’t stand it, so I proceeded to ask
them all if they were virgins. They all looked at me weirdly and said that they had lost their virginity long ago. I felt so inferior, as it reminded me of how much I have missed out in life. And then this black boy named Chance said that he lost his virginity when he was only thirteen! In addition, he said that the girl he lost his virginity to was a blonde white girl! I was so enraged that I almost splashed him with my orange juice. I indignantly told him that I did not believe him, and then I went to my room to cry. I cried and cried and cried, and then I called my mother and cried to her on the phone. How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy.
He
is descended from slaves. I deserve it more. I tried not to believe his foul words, but they were already said, and it was hard to erase from my mind. If this is actually true, if this ugly black filth was able to have sex with a blonde white girl at the age
of thirteen while I’ve had to suffer virginity all my life, then this just proves how ridiculous the female
gender is. They would give themselves to this filthy scum, but they reject
ME? The injustice!

what puzzles me is why he never thought of hookers

 

[HamburgerBoy]

He mentions it somewhere. He says that he's not only interested in sex, and that to resort to prostitution would be demeaning and unfitting a man as beautiful as him.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Fuck, I'm glad I don't know anyone IRL that he reminds me of.

That's only because kissless virgins have to hide themselves lest they incur a horrible shaming by contemporary hyper-sexual, female-monopolized society.

 

[Baroque]

Reading the excerpts.. I think this was partially a parenting issue.. It's like he never had to take personal responsibility for anything. And it's like he cried and got whatever he wanted from his parents. Like he was always told he was beautiful and perfect so he would stop crying, until he actually believed that he was.

Did he have a father figure? Dude needed some serious toughening up. My parents would tell me to suck it up. They'd tell me the reality of things and even if I didn't listen to them, at least I heard it and found out they were right the hard way.

It sounds like his parents were enabling his fantasy land.

He would have found some pussy eventually, if he could overcome being trained to be all whiny like that. Also his standards were probably way too high. And it didn't help for him to have these long rants and entitlement issues... Who finds all that attractive?

His dad or mom needed to slap him and tell him to suck it up and walk it off at some point in his life. Tell him it's his own damn fault and change needs to come from within.

 

[Addo_Of_Nex]

I'm fucking hammered, so excuse the incoherence.

Everything I've been reading about this has been framing the root of the issue in terms of absolutes. It's either purely a mental health issue, or it's all due to rape culture. From a purely speculative, bullshit standpoint, it's probably a mix of the two. I read through most of his "manifesto", and he comes off as a textbook narcissist with clear cognitive issues (not to mention his seeing multiple therapists and previous confrontations with women in the past), but to completely ignore the underlying cultural symptoms that make sex with a female some sort of reciprocal item of transaction in accordance with material possessions and the like is a bit of a misstep.

Reading through his diatribe reveals an interesting paradoxical sort of self-deifying mixed with intense self-loathing. He goes on about how supreme he is in terms of outward cosmetics and the luxurious items he proudly flaunts, but subtly hints at hating himself with his inability to transform these idealized status symbols into the tangible conquest of sex with a pretty Aryan woman.

It's all kinds of fucked and the reasons for this are manifold. I think the one thing we can all agree on is the fact that he was a total fucking asshole.

 

[Mort Divine]

His dad or mom needed to slap him and tell him to suck it up and walk it off at some point in his life. Tell him it's his own damn fault and change needs to come from within.

Yeah, because perpetuating the stoic aggressive hypermasucline culture in which men just have to "suck it up" that causes these kind of things is EXACTLY what parents need to do.

 

[Krow]

Being told to fucking get over yourself does not lead to killing a bunch of people. Some psycho kills a bunch of people then himself. Everyone wants to be sympathetic towards the goddamn gunman. Rot in the ground you piece of scum.

Why can't people just end their miserable existence and not take people with them? The fact that we glorify these people enables them to do it. They know their "story" will get out there after theyre gone... Where in reality you were just some miserable cunt like the rest of us. Good riddance.

 

[Baroque]

Yeah, because perpetuating the stoic aggressive hypermasucline culture in which men just have to "suck it up" that causes these kind of things is EXACTLY what parents need to do.

What is aggressive or hypermasculine about it? It's the damn truth. In life sometimes you have to suck it up male or female. You think it was ok to let him be a whiny bitch all his life? How well adjusted was this young man to society?

In the real world, almost no one cares about anyone. His parents were hypersympathetic to his needs, leading him to believe the world should be hypersympathetic to him. The world didn't give a damn about him. He failed to make the transition from childhood to adulthood. That is very much on the parenting style in my opinion..

if you want to defend this asshole who murdered people feel free though, it should be fun to watch.

 

[Baroque]

From wikipedia but whatever:

Spoiling in early childhood tends to create characteristic reactions that persist, fixed, into later life. These can cause significant social problems. Spoiled children may have difficulty coping with situations such as teachers scolding them or refusing to grant extensions on homework assignments, playmates refusing to allow them to play with their toys and playmates refusing playdates with them, a loss in friends, failure in employment, and failure with personal relationships. As adults, spoiled children may experience problems with anger management, professionalism, and personal relationships; a link with adult psychopathy has been observed.

He was spoiled well beyond his parent's means throughout his life, which led to adult psychopathy.

In his book The Mask of Sanity, Hervey Cleckley described 16 (originally 21 in the first edition) "common qualities" he thought were characteristic of the individuals he termed psychopaths:

Superficial charm and good "intelligence"
Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
Absence of "nervousness" or psychoneurotic manifestations
Unreliability
Untruthfulness and insincerity
Lack of remorse and shame
Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior
Poor judgment and failure to learn by experience
Pathologic egocentricity and incapacity for love
General poverty in major affective reactions
Specific loss of insight
Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations
Fantastic and uninviting behavior with drink and sometimes without
Suicide threats rarely carried out
Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated
Failure to follow any life plan.

He definitely had at least a few of those qualities from his writing.

 

[Onder]

I enjoyed his car video. It's funny that this douchebag even had a car and shit. He could've had many girls already if he wasn't a giant douche.

I might read his manifesto later. Although I might as well just read JAGE posts on here from what I've gathered from the excerpts.

 

[Vimana]

I partially blame the idolization of sex in American culture. We pretty much have a nationwide case of putting the pussy on a pedestal.

 

[Onder]

I partially blame the idolization of sex in American culture. We pretty much have a nationwide case of putting the pussy on a pedestal.

I kinda think that when people really want pussy then they work harder to get it and they eventually will. This guy just felt different / wrong for not getting it.

 

[arg]

I might read his manifesto later. Although I might as well just read JAGE posts on here from what I've gathered from the excerpts.

the writing would be decent if only he didnt repeat the same shit over and over.

this guy spent tons of money on lottery tickets, designer clothes and guns. if he had used a fraction of that on hookers this wouldnt have happened.

he did not have a ''mentor'' for this like i did (my dad's chauffeur who took me to a whorehouse at 18 which changed my life). if i knew him i wouldve helped him. prostitutes should be more readily available but this is backwards america that glamorizes sex but outlaws buying it.

 

[Vimana]

I kinda think that when people really want pussy then they work harder to get it and they eventually will. This guy just felt different / wrong for not getting it.

I think at least part of why he felt wrong is because society treats it like a prize, an achievement, and a measure of a person's worth.

 

[Onder]

the writing would be decent if only he didnt repeat the same shit over and over.

this guy spent tons of money on lottery tickets, designer clothes and guns. if he had used a fraction of that on hookers this wouldnt have happened.

he did not have a ''mentor'' for this like i did (my dad's chauffeur who took me to a whorehouse at 18 which changed my life). if i knew him i wouldve helped him. prostitutes should be more readily available but this is backwards america that glamorizes sex but outlaws buying it.

Aug do you also think he should be assigned whores by the psychiatrists?

EDIT: Because you make it sound like whores would be the cure for his problems.