Males and Females

[Mort Divine]

See, I appreciate that approach to most things in life.

I am just as annoyed by Mort's "outrage" at anything smacking of an unPC opinion as I am at the constant bro(rap)-culture I was surrounded by in the Marines. "Make money fuck bitches", etc.

I've got no issue with people making jokes in poor taste or whatever, but in cases like this where m_c decides that someone isn't a woman because she isn't feminine enough...I'm sorry, but fuck you if you have an issue with me being annoyed by that.

 

[Dak]

I've got no issue with people making jokes in poor taste or whatever, but in cases like this where m_c decides that someone isn't a woman because she isn't feminine enough...I'm sorry, but fuck you if you have an issue with me being annoyed by that.

And women everywhere are suffering because they don't have m_c's approval

I think m_c's sexual preferences are the least of his concerns.

 

[Mort Divine]

It isn't simply m_c, but the rather societal view of 'you must be like this to be a woman' and 'you're not a man if...'

 

[crimsonfloyd]

With regards to the bisexuality question, I think all humans have a bisexual psychology, some just veer more toward one extreme while others veer more toward the other. Gorllias, chimpanzees and bonobos all interact in both homo and heterosexual acts. From what I remember from Anthro, homosexual activity is not uncommon in hunter-gatherer societies, though it is not necessarily a strict idenity as it is in our culture.

And from an evolutionary perspective, it's quite easy to see how homosexual tennacies could develop side-by-side with heterosexual tenancies: pleasure creates postive associations, pleasure from another leads to bonding and bonds lead to increased trust. Bonds and increased trust are both integral to survival of humans in a natural setting.

In Western society homosexuality is taboo and from childhood we are taught to be discomforted by anything that can be perceived as "gay," especially amongst males. Male-male contact that isn't of an agressive nature is often questioned or condemned. Heck, I've seen little boys told not to hold hands. So I think a lot of people repress any homosexual inclinations to the point where they no longer feel them or so that they come out in wierd ways (i.e. incessant butt-slapping in a predominately homophobic sports-culture, paddling and other erotic hazing in frats).

 

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It isn't simply m_c, but the rather societal view of 'you must be like this to be a woman' and 'you're not a man if...'

You're not a man if you keep posting gay shit like this.

 

[Mort Divine]

You're not a man if you keep posting gay shit like this.

Deny it all you want, it is true

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

Yeah, it really is a shame fags and bisexuals aren't equal to us normal people. Oh well, that's life.

 

[SentinelSlain]

So I've got a date properly planned with a really hot girl. She kind of looks wasian but is white.

 

[damnromulans]

It's not un-PC so much as technically incorrect. A person is a woman if she has two X chromosomes and identifies as female. It gets hairy with trans people and some rare genetic anomalies but I still don't think it's that complicated and am therefore disgusted by people's weird butthurt reactions to someone not fitting into A or B category perfectly.

Really if someone's sexuality is that important to you and you need to sex them in order to sleep at night, just ask them or something.

I do find it interesting that women don't sit around being grossed out by homos and bisexuals, at least not anyone I know - but maybe it would be different if I were from the Bible belt or somewhere really conservative. Who knows. Lobsters in a bucket I guess, whatever!

 

[PhlegethonVeins]

I do find it interesting that women don't sit around being grossed out by homos and bisexuals

Eh, I see it from both sides, but on average really don't see much of it at all until I hit the interwebz.

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

II do find it interesting that women don't sit around being grossed out by homos and bisexuals, at least not anyone I know - but maybe it would be different if I were from the Bible belt or somewhere really conservative. Who knows. Lobsters in a bucket I guess, whatever!

There are women who are grossed out by it, iwis. But they are the same sort of women who are disgusted by sex in general.

 

[whiskey funeral]

So much gayness.

 

[SentinelSlain]

I'm so sick of being sexist and insecure in my masculinity. I don't know what to do. I suppose if I was really, really nice to this girl I've arranged to see and it worked out and ended up going on for some time then just being happy with her would mellow me out. Then I could stop worrying that all the perfect women are in a bed somewhere with some man who is and looks very different from me, being railed.

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

What you need is some perspective to hit you in your empty fucking head.

 

[SentinelSlain]

Some whiskey or something stronger might be better.

 

[Dak]

Yeeeeaaaahhh. See, alcohol doesn't fix anything except irrational inhibitions.

 

[whiskey funeral]

Maybe a sledgehammer might help?

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

Some whiskey or something stronger might be better.

Dude, seriously though, start reading some philosophy. I recommend Existentialism. Camus, Sartre etc

 

[SentinelSlain]

I took a class in philosophy for a semester last year.

 

[Vimana]

With regards to the bisexuality question, I think all humans have a bisexual psychology, some just veer more toward one extreme while others veer more toward the other.

I could never buy this. It makes no sense to me how after hundreds of millions of years of evolution through sexual reproduction, we would somehow drop heterosexuality from our psychology. We're heterosexual (unless there's a neurological abnormality), but our sexual development is complex like our development in general, leaving room for all kinds of strange sexual natures to develop.

One, our brains are capable of associating almost anything with almost anything, and two, the environment we live in is far different from the kind we spent most of our evolution, making us develop all kinds of odd behaviors due to attributing manmade, arbitrary things to inherent instincts. Just because we develop a weird behavior, that doesn't mean it's inherent. A good example I saw is this idea that we are divine and pure throughout so many cultures in the world, but it's just a manifestation of our valuing of our bodies and by extension, our survival. Just because an instinct leads to a developed behavior in lots of different people doesn't mean that developed behavior is inherent.

As Jonathan Haidt (or someone he cited, I read this in his book, The Righteous Mind) puts it, we're "pre-wired." We come with a set of instincts that can be changed, but we're still born with them.