Males and Females

[Vimana]

Don't have time to read that right now. I agree that income discrimination doesn't go in a single direction, but when it comes to higher earning jobs women often have a lot more difficult of a time being hired.

This could be because people in higher positions tend to be older and hold onto archaic ideas about women, and/or because women tend to work part-time or have a greater chance of switching to part-time later on to take care of a child, and people are less likely to hire someone for a higher-paying position if they are going to switch to part-time. Also, men tend to spend more money and idolize high-paying jobs more.

No sure what you mean when you say "all of the bullshit" but I think most people realize that race and gender are still major issues in our society.

I mean shitty slacktivism like "Stop the R Word." It doesn't solve any real problems. It just breeds self-righteous do-nothing tribalism for social justice.

No it doesn't. You're just fixated on a simplistic definition of the term.

After some thinking, agreed.

Sause

Mother Nature by Sarah Hrdy is a good place to start. But if you look at the animal kingdom in general, it's obvious. Men and women have different reproductive anatomy. It's not the craziest thing in the world to assume they'd evolve different psychological traits like any other animal.

Hell, even basic sensory things are different. Women can distinguish between colors and hear better than men. Men can see better than women and create better 3d models of things in their heads. Differences between male and female behavior go further back than our own species. Our brains are even different.

Yeah race will always be a social issue in America, at least during our lifetime.

Disagree. I'm biracial and grew up in a really diverse town, and I didn't even get race until I was ten-years-old or so. It wasn't until all these concepts were taught to me in school that I thought of black and white skin as anything more than quirks of physical appearance like brown hair and red hair. Obviously some people are still racist in society, but the millennials are so far past that that some are vehemently anti-racist.

 

[Addo_Of_Nex]

Mother Nature by Sarah Hrdy is a good place to start. But if you look at the animal kingdom in general, it's obvious. Men and women have different reproductive anatomy. It's not the craziest thing in the world to assume they'd evolve different psychological traits like any other animal.

Hell, even basic sensory things are different. Women can distinguish between colors and hear better than men. Men can see better than women and create better 3d models of things in their heads. Differences between male and female behavior go further back than our own species. Our brains are even different.

Never heard of that Hrdy book; will take a look. Appealing to the "nature" of another species and pointing to the "obvious" analogous sociobiological structure between us and them to demonstrate something is so evidently a shifty move that I don't feel like I should even have to explain why it fails. It strikes me as a weird combination of the naturalistic fallacy and the is-ought problem. Needless to say, just because species in the animal kingdom adhere to some binary way of living (that we're looking at and projecting from our biased human perspective, mind you), doesn't automatically mean that it's written into our genes that men are to behave one way and women another; and even if that was the case, the fact that you have people actively wanting to buck the system indicates that it's just not right to think that because you're born with two X chromosomes that you're predetermined to live your life in a manner rigidly defined by a history of fuckup humans.

Disagree. I'm biracial and grew up in a really diverse town, and I didn't even get race until I was ten-years-old or so. It wasn't until all these concepts were taught to me in school that I thought of black and white skin as anything more than quirks of physical appearance like brown hair and red hair. Obviously some people are still racist in society, but the millennials are so far past that that some are vehemently anti-racist.

Go to a poor urban area and make that claim. Economic, educational, and social disparity among different races is still a very big deal.

 

[SentinelSlain]

The only people who believe that immigration, miscegenation and a political and media atmosphere of post-white supremacy will lead to a world without racism are people who are gormless enough to see it purely as a construct created by certain structures of power within a limited time span. The entire world would have to move in the same direction at the same rate, due to the effects of globalisation and so on. In the UK there is supposed to be a load of tension brewing between the Pakistanis and the recent Roma immigrants from Eastern Europe. They have very different ways of life. Now if you listened to the gormless, politically correct response to this, either from a mainstream politician or someone like Vimana, there would be some "positive" step towards a mystical eventual goal of harmony between the races. How can anything like that be finite or working towards something when you have mass immigration? What happens when the Syrians come? People will have always said what I'm saying now, but when did race riots stop happening, when did racially motivated murders stop? As far as I can tell they haven't, so a lot of what people say is bollocks. One thing happened towards the latter part of the last century, white people, as a whole, generally, ended up being more open minded about race and had less of a positive self conscious racial identity. Again, gormless politically correct people will be singing and dancing, waving rainbow flags about how great that is. I say, well it isn't shit, it's better than us still having what was going on in the US in the 1910s-1920s where entire black neighbourhoods would be destroyed in huge race riots over very slight incidents involving single individuals. It's also better than having the holocaust and apartheid and so on. There is another side though. It's not so much that now whites are the victims in the world or whatever, we're not, but unlike the time just before that period, we are no longer half of the world population, we don't directly administer most of the world and most of the supposed future world powers have none white populations, as well as non hispanic whites slowly losing their majority status in the US. Basically, it's a bit like this, the power of white people being less racist, to use a simplistic term, is offset by their decreasing power in the world. I think gormless people would, again, simply sing and dance about the latter, but through their horrendous world-view of absolute cultural relativism, they lack the customary phlegm and moral fortitude to be able to criticise social wrongs in none white populations and other societies generally. So you can see the problem.

 

[Dak]

Go to a poor urban area and make that claim. Economic, educational, and social disparity among different races is still a very big deal.

Disparity =! Racism. Try not being so bigoted against the "poor". It's no different than pitying the "savages". Who is to say those living in the projects or "ghettos" are wrong for their lifestyle? Fucking privilege speaking. Everyone needs to be like white urbanites.

 

[Addo_Of_Nex]

I was referring to Vimana's disagreeing that race is still a pertinent social issue.

I never suggested that they're "wrong" for that lifestyle, but I don't think it's absurd to suggest that a lot of people would rather not be born into gang violence and failing educational systems; and these are issues that predominantly affect minorities. For what it's worth, I was raised in a single-parent, lower-class household and know what it's like to go without food for a week or so, have things shut off, etc. I'm still incredibly privileged, but it's not like I'm pitying the "savages".

Edit: Wow, this has become off-topic. On topic, I'm talking to some girl on OKC after not logging in for a while. She's from Chicago and we'll probably meet up next time I go up there. Either that, or I'll lose interest in exerting effort again.

 

[damnromulans]

Yeah, but let's be honest, your knowledge of cars is probably equivalent to a being that wears a diaper or helmet.

I need a booster seat that faces the rear.

 

[Vacant_Planets]

I wouldn't quite say that. It's not corporations that attempt to create the sexual dichotomy. It's the culture that demands it.

Corporation because of cultural, yes you are correct. They are simply appealing to that culture.

 

[Mort Divine]

Disagree. I'm biracial and grew up in a really diverse town, and I didn't even get race until I was ten-years-old or so. It wasn't until all these concepts were taught to me in school that I thought of black and white skin as anything more than quirks of physical appearance like brown hair and red hair. Obviously some people are still racist in society, but the millennials are so far past that that some are vehemently anti-racist.

I just want to say that this really won't matter unless whites are willing to restructure society as a whole to stop benefiting them over people of color.

 

[Addo_Of_Nex]

I'm still outraged I had to sit next to a black kid in class last semester.

 

[Dak]

I just want to say that this really won't matter unless whites are willing to restructure society as a whole to stop benefiting them over people of color.

Be sure to bring that up at the next "White Society Structuring" meeting. You know, that white-only meeting where all us whites get together and make changes (or more accurately don't change the oppressive albino patriarchy amirite?) from our lofty, exclusive perch. I'll be "calling you out" if I don't see you put your foot down at the next meeting. Cause that is what good activists do. Call people out. Gonna call you out Mort.

 

[Mort Divine]

Be sure to bring that up at the next "White Society Structuring" meeting. You know, that white-only meeting where all us whites get together and make changes (or more accurately don't change the oppressive albino patriarchy amirite?) from our lofty, exclusive perch. I'll be "calling you out" if I don't see you put your foot down at the next meeting. Cause that is what good activists do. Call people out. Gonna call you out Mort.

Are you denying that, with way American society is structured, white people have advantages over people of color?

 

[Krow]

Christ I hate you.

 

[Mort Divine]

Cute.

 

[Nephilim96]

At the next meeting, I say we make Fried Chicken and Grape drink illegal. Serves 'dem Niggs right for selling me schwag!!1!

 

[Onder]

No kebab in 2014.

 

[Onder]

WE WANT YOU.

 

[SentinelSlain]

Think of all the feminists who wouldn't let you come inside them if they knew you posted that. They'd immediately start vibrating, flick their heads to the side and say that they "don't think that's the case". That would be it, your erection, over, forever.


Glory glory hallelujah.

1953-2013 what is time? values change, but why? How can they?

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

Are you denying that, with way American society is structured, white people have advantages over people of color?

I think Dak is smarter than this question. I think he understands these problems from a certain perspective with certain bias and misconceptions (much like you) but I suspect it's a matter of trial and error for him; where it's one absolute after another for you. Although I think he might come off as extreme and provocative I think he approaches these complex conditions from a very righteous nature. You on the other hand bought right in to every single guilty white man cliche imaginable. That question is so trite it's not worth answering.

 

[Dak]

Are you denying that, with way American society is structured, white people have advantages over people of color?

Yes I am denying that there is a "structural advantage", as Vimana has already dismissed. There is no legal oppression, in fact EO and AA swing it the other way.

However, there is a legacy advantage (a gap which is quickly closing, and not in the positive direction). That legacy advantage is the old "puritan work ethic" which includes more than just exerting energy. It includes smart application and the general approach of constant improvement of the surroundings. Notice no one ever accuses minorities in America of sprucing the place up too much ("gentrification"). You get out what you put in at least, and usually to a greater degree. Unfortunately the progenitors of this are dying off and failing to pass it on.

I think Dak is smarter than this question. I think he understands these problems from a certain perspective with certain bias and misconceptions (much like you) but I suspect it's a matter of trial and error for him; where it's one absolute after another for you. Although I think he might come off as extreme and provocative I think he approaches these complex conditions from a very righteous nature. You on the other hand bought right in to every single guilty white man cliche imaginable. That question is so trite it's not worth answering.

I don't think he even realized he asked a completely different question from the position he took before.

 

[Eligos]

These last few pages have been hilarious.