mesa rectifier vs peavey 6505

[Fragle]

well, as for the euro vs. american sound thingy, i think it's like this
old school american: anything recorded at MorrisSound studios
old school euro: priest, accept, old kreator and the likes
new american: nu metal stuff....scooped, super bottom heavy, kinda sludgy but still heavy for certain types of music
new euro: basically the whole powermetal thing, e.g. primal fear, as well as the whole swedish thing

 

[djairouks]

thank you were very helpfull

what i told may be confusing i know what i don't like in the recto is that the lows are loud but too cold so i think on the 5150 the lows are much deeper but still straight

but then i think i'll buy a 6505+ brand new because i can afford it instead of an old 5150

 

[006]

Actually, from my experience in owning both amps...the Recto has "more" ("deeper") bottom end to offer. You can get wayyyy more womph out of a Recto.

~006

 

[silverwulf]

Actually, from my experience in owning both amps...the Recto has "more" ("deeper") bottom end to offer. You can get wayyyy more womph out of a Recto.

~006

+1 to that. The bass on the Recto seems to have a much lower voicing to it.

 

[djairouks]

yeah i know that's what i'm trying to say for a long time i prefer for example in flames and arch enemy's sound to the sound of killswitch engage even if all 3 bands are great.

i know the mesa has much more low but they are too much focused that's why they feel toot much trebly this is what i call the american sound

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

Mesa = Californian sound
Peavey = Mississipian (errr...) sound
Marshall = British sound
Behringer = German sound (hahaha)

 

[djairouks]

but if someone can show me a soundclip of a recto with a rich bass that is not overcompressed i'm curious to hear that

because i really don't think it's possible with my single rectifier

 

[silverwulf]

but if someone can show me a soundclip of a recto with a rich bass that is not overcompressed i'm curious to hear that

because i really don't think it's possible with my single rectifier

What are your settings on your Recto?

 

[djairouks]

so here are my settings in hour format

presence: 10:00
bass : 16:00
middle : 10:30
treble : 14:00
gain : 14:30

 

[SoSomething]

I actually understand what he means. Rectos don't have a smooth low-end - it's almost broken-up sounding, like the sound is cutting in and out really really fast, but you can still tell.

It's a weird description I know, and it might just be my ears, but I hear the same thing in Uberschalls, Kranks, and the Framus stuff. Amps that don't sound like that to me are Marshall Jubilees, Splawn stuff, Engl stuff, and most of the modded 5150s I've heard. It's almost like the difference between someone gargling at a low frequency and someone humming at a low frequency. Rectos and their ilk are "garglers." It's a bad description but I can't really find the right words to convey what I hear.

 

[silverwulf]

so here are my settings in hour format

presence: 10:00
bass : 16:00
middle : 10:30
treble : 14:00
gain : 14:30

Wow, that bass is really high. Turn that bass down to about 10 - 11 o'clock for starters. That's about twice as much as I'd use. Back off the gain some to about 1 o'clock also. Are you getting the volume up to at least about 10 o'clock or so?

 

[djairouks]

yes exactelly i find also recto framus and bogner that way and even vht

i you have sound clips of those other amps except for the engls i don't like them much

and do you think H&K is more similar to the first category or the second ?

 

[djairouks]

as i said it's only a single and my drummer brakes 10 stick every time we play so i need volume and gain i tried less bass and it's whorse too much treble then even when also reduced

 

[~BURNY~]

Last time I tried the rectifier, I turned the gain to 11 o'clock and that was enough. Passive (somewhat hot) PU and no OD.

 

[djairouks]

but believe me the problem isn't with the gain it's the overall tonal response of the head that i don't find really suited for my playing style

now if anyone has info on other amp that don't sound like recto please speak up

 

[SoSomething]

yes exactelly i find also recto framus and bogner that way and even vht

i you have sound clips of those other amps except for the engls i don't like them much

and do you think H&K is more similar to the first category or the second ?

I've got to disagree with you on the VHT - I don't find them to have the same broken-up low end that Rectos have. The other guitarist in my band uses one and his bass is very full and smooth.

As far as other clips, try rocksolidamps and make sure to check out Splawn amps. Splawn is my personal favorite, but I am sure they are extremely rare in Europe.

 

[Fragle]

Mesa = Californian sound
Peavey = Mississipian (errr...) sound
Marshall = British sound
Behringer = German sound (hahaha)

get lost, frenchie! :hotjump:
ok, let's see what we have over here....framus (actually, framus is short for fränkische musikinstrumente, which translated means franconian musical instruments...hell yeah, i'm from franconia ), diezel, engl (another bavarian brand...), larry (you know john schaffer, do you?), and iirc reinhold bogner originally is a german.

and yes, i know you were kidding

 

[djairouks]

yes i never saw this brand an even kranks are really impossible to have here in switzerland

 

[silverwulf]

as i said it's only a single and my drummer brakes 10 stick every time we play so i need volume and gain i tried less bass and it's whorse too much treble then even when also reduced

There's not as much difference between a distorted 50W tube amp and a 100W tube amp as one would think. It's not how sound works.

Trust me, you have plenty of punch and power available in that amp. You definitely don't need more gain and more bass to cut through with a loud drummer. All that's going to do it's give you some rumbling mud instead of tonal clarity.

 

[~BURNY~]

Mmm, the famous pignose doesn't sound like a recto...
Jokes aside, if you are ready to spend the price of a good amp, why don't you save a few bucks, to go to germany and try some amps (they have those huge music mall such as musikstore). I cannot imagine spending 1000 to 2000 euros for some amp just because someone said it sounds good. Nobody can guess what's on your mind. There's a lot of good amps that sounds different from each other. But there's only one being who knows what you need. And it's you. Sound clips are just not a good way to make your choice because so there's many things involved in the recording process (mics/mics position/cab/settings/preamp/eq/recordingenvironnement/playing...and so on).