mesa rectifier vs peavey 6505

[djairouks]

thanks to everyone you're great i love this forum

yes i wil try everything andy said but i'm quite sure
my guitar is ok but i'll try with the old one so it'll be even greater with the new one

 

[006]

djairouks...one thing you have to consider, is that there is a bass guitar on that album. And all the albums you have mentioned. The guitars don't really sound like THAT by themselves.

If you want a more "focused" bass, then turn your bass knob DOWN on the amp dude. When I track or have other bands track with my Dual Recto the bass is at like...freakin 9:30 or 10:00. The rest is filled out by the bass guitar. And it adds a LOT to the mix, seriously. Turning the gain down to like 12:00 or 1:00 will make your bass much more focused as well. It will tighten up the sound SOOOOO much. When you layer that tone, it will sound like you originally had it, but much tighter and more clear.

And I agree on the post by GuitarGuy...listen to Andy, I mean...I *think* he knows what he's doing....maybe?

~006

 

[006]

Here's where the guitar fits in:
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Drum Cymbals and high end from tom's/snare/kick (really high highs)
GUITAR HERE IN THE MIDDLE
Kick drum thud, Bass guitar, tom thud (really low lows)

The guitar is a MID instrument. It was made that way from the first time anybody ever made one. The drums cover the highs and the lows, the bass guitar fills everything in from the really low stuff to right before where the guitar is suppose to fit. You can't throw a ton of bass and highs on a guitar tone and expect it to cut through all of that stuff that is already there.

You just CANNOT compete with cymbals. If you try, you're going to pierce the ever loving shit out of your ears. You cannot compete with the bass guitar, you'll never win, it's got way more low end than a guitar will ever have. So there's only one more spot of spectrum- the middle. Stop trying to make your guitar sound badass by itself and try being a team player for once, make it cut through without being shrill and harsh, and listen to the bass guitar when you're playing together. Try and make your tone pick up right after the bass leaves off, frequency wise. A lot of people don't realize that they will probably hate the way their guitar sound by itself, but love it once they hear it with drums and bass guitar. If you hate it by itself, it's right. Just a thought...

~006

 

[djairouks]

ok so i have lots of tweaking to do i'll keep you aware of what i'm doing

but then i'll ask your advice because i saw many people here use a ts9 and lower their gain

i do it a another way that maybe seem weird but i think it has great results
i put a gate and a compressor in the fx loop and my multieffect is in the input of the amp because i noticed it was not has good in the loop

what do you think about that ?

 

[006]

Take everything out first. Play on the amp by itself. Nothing in the FX loop, nothing in front of the amp but your guitar. Mess with it like that first, then add your other things back in. You need a good tone to start with before you start polishing it.

~006

 

[djairouks]

yes i was going to do it this way but do you think that putting a comp and a gate in the loop is somewhat wrong ?

 

[ThatGuitarGuy]

006 is a man who knows his stuff.

I'm glad to hear someone explain where each instrument is meant to be. A lot of people like to scoop their mids and yeah, it sounds alright when you're alone, but you're in a band. Don't fight the other instruments, work with them and you'll get a masterpiece.

 

[ThatGuitarGuy]

He's telling you to start with something good before you make it even better.

You can only polish a turd so much right? It's best to start out with the best tone you can from the start. When you add in the polishing, your tone will be THAT much better.

Not only is this a good method, but you can also find out if something is actually making your tone worse. Adding in one at a time, or taking things out one at a time is a great way to find out what the heck is messing things up.

 

[Andy Sneap]

did i tell you to turn the bass down?

 

[006]

Exactly.

I'm not saying compressors or gates are bad. I'm just saying try messing with your amp without them first. If you get a great tone without them, all they can do is make it better for you.

Although, I actually never have seen the point of using a compressor on a guitar amp. I mean, I have used compression on recorded guitars, as in, the tracks, but never int he fx loop or anything for an amp. I usually let the amp tell it's story, and then I compress it later if I absolute have to. A gate, on the other hand, is a great tool for a guitar amp. It can clean up your sound like nobody's business. Very handy if the settings are right on it.

But anyway, yeah I would suggest just playing your amp "dry" and mess with it a LOT. Try everything, like I said before, even if you don't think it will work, try it anyway. Sometimes the best things come about by complete accident.

~006

 

[006]

Lol Andy, I would be disappointed if you didn't mention that at least one more time.

~006

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

my multieffect is in the input of the amp because i noticed it was not has good in the loop

what do you think about that ?

Baaaad idea
If you use reverb, delay or whatever, they'll go in your poweramp and will be heavily distorted, and then will sound very bad.

 

[006]

I think he's saying that his multi-fx unit is in front of the amp, which is the traditionally correct placement. And that he tried it in the fx loop, but it didn't sound too good.

~006

 

[006]

I just noticed that when there's no time booked here at the studio, I literally just prowl the forums the entire time. Screw this, I'm going to hook up a guitar and write some music!

~006

 

[ThatGuitarGuy]

haha. Look at my post about the mixing of that track XD
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226466

Yeah, i dont see why you would use a compressor either. There is a lot of character that you lose by using a compressor IMO. Whats the point of tubes then...you play soft...its soft..you play hard its louder with more bite...Volume really does add a lot of emotion to a song...but then again...I play more than just balls out metal.

 

[djairouks]

yes andy you allready told me to turn down the bass
and right now i'm checking the fundamental frequencies of a guitar and a bass and drums so i don't do their job

thanks for the tips

 

[006]

Yeah, i dont see why you would use a compressor either. There is a lot of character that you lose by using a compressor IMO. Whats the point of tubes then...you play soft...its soft..you play hard its louder with more bite...Volume really does add a lot of emotion to a song...but then again...I play more than just balls out metal.

Tru dat.

~006

 

[eaeolian]

going with this idea, can't he rebias his recto to use el34 output tubes?

By flicking a switch and swapping tubes, yes.

 

[eaeolian]

If you want a more "focused" bass, then turn your bass knob DOWN on the amp dude. When I track or have other bands track with my Dual Recto the bass is at like...freakin 9:30 or 10:00. The rest is filled out by the bass guitar. And it adds a LOT to the mix, seriously. Turning the gain down to like 12:00 or 1:00 will make your bass much more focused as well. It will tighten up the sound SOOOOO much. When you layer that tone, it will sound like you originally had it, but much tighter and more clear.

+1 - that's where mine sits. (Gain's about 1:30, but I use passive PUs.) The amp has much more punch when played in a band setting, and sounds a whole lot better recorded.

 

[adrianvillan]

I just got my Maxon OD820. I run both 5150 ll and a triple rectifer through and a/b channel switcher. Keep the rectifier and you say you can afford a 5150, so get it. You wont look back.